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10 Feb 2017 21:59:33
If Arsene is to leave come May as Wright has predicted would Arsenal have to make an announcement in advance like Man utd did with fergie.
{Ed025's Note - no mate..
1.) 11 Feb 2017 00:08:40
What do u think about what wright said ed?
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what IW has said.}
2.) 11 Feb 2017 00:27:02
He basically said that he spoke to arsene and gets the feeling that he will leave this season. Ed i checked the old posts and didn't find your opinion on the topic, can u repeat it please?
{Ed002's Note - I explained in the past couple of days that the club are making provisions for him to leave as planned this summer - but they would have liked another year out of him.}
3.) 11 Feb 2017 07:40:04
Am I right in thinking ManU had to announce it as they are on the New York Stock Exchange? I hope the Wenger contract is resolved swiftly either way at the end of the season to allow plenty of prep time in the summer.
4.) 11 Feb 2017 09:24:28
Was a listed company I believe. UTD would have needed to declare things in line with exchange rules.
5.) 11 Feb 2017 07:56:47
I can't believe he's actually going to go. Ed i'm sorry i really don't know how to use this website but can u tell me the list of candidates plz. It will be the last question because i know u hate repeating urself.
{Ed002's Note - The problem is that evrytime I have explained what has happened so far and what the options might be the vegetables come out of the woodwork and wreck it for everyone. I have explained previously that approaches have been made to two people and that the first told a third party acting on behalf of the club that he would not welcome an approach. The second is Allegri as I have explained.}
6.) 11 Feb 2017 11:27:18
Apex, towards the top of the page is a search box. Simply type Ed002 into it and it will bring up anything Ed002 has responded to. You can then scroll down and view all the nuggets of wisdom.
7.) 12 Feb 2017 16:36:55
I think we need to stick to our guns keep faith in Wenger. I hope he signs another 2 year contract. We have been in a very dark place. We are coming through and can see the light but let us not abandon our leader.
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03 Apr 2025 13:18:59
Afternoon all. Hope everyones enjoying the sun that we are seeing at the moment.
One of the things I have wanting is the right support team around Arteta so that he can bring in the right players that we need. We all want a striker and winger and possibly someone to rest odegard. I have said if the right players are brought in and we don't bring in siver than we need to start to question Arteta's ability to carry on.
The question for me is who are the right players and what will they bring to the team. What do you all think should be our must signing this summer.
1.) 03 Apr 2025 18:48:00
Starting ST, LW and LCM for me.
2.) 03 Apr 2025 19:27:03
2 Strikers, left winger, centre midfield and a decent CB for cover as well as GK cover.
Outside of the cover - these need to improve the starting 11.
Drop some of the players like Kai / Trossard to the bench. They just aren’t good enough.
Improve the squad by replacing departures like Jorginho
Just as important is a number two who will question and push Arteta to be more progressive in tactical changes, attacking football and his bottle. This is a must.
Would also like a change in Captain who is a real leader.
3.) 03 Apr 2025 21:38:29
Why not go the full hog and change the tea lady as well.
4.) 03 Apr 2025 21:49:41
Roger that Mark ?.
5.) 03 Apr 2025 22:44:50
The two Ronnies are funny. Roger that ?
Keep up the propaganda
Good that you don’t gang up and mock different opinions ?
I will be rubbing that rabbit foot hoping for change and success - why would I want to maintain status quo. It’s not worked for last 3 years.
6.) 04 Apr 2025 07:28:33
Come on Sy4, it’s all done in good fun, not meant to be a witch hunt
I use to get it over Wenger
Chill bro.
7.) 04 Apr 2025 07:36:43
Er, What's up Sy ?
You've been trying to wind everyone up all season putting the Arsenal down and bigging everyone else up at every opportunity you personally can create for yourself to do so. Surely he who lives by the ? must also be prepared to take a bit of Easter bunny back ?
Up The Arsenal ?
Or up the toon ? and the forest ? depending on which your personal preference is.
8.) 04 Apr 2025 08:32:54
Haha John
Just love it ?.
9.) 04 Apr 2025 09:18:16
Very funny gents - I’m fine and hope you are Mal.
I’m chilled - just want to fxxxxxx win something
Suns out - Spurs are rubbish and we have a Real Madrid game next week. Exciting times ??.
10.) 04 Apr 2025 09:42:17
Hi Mark, basically it's all just like Chas and Dave said it was back in the 70s mate ??????????.
Sy stated a couple of months ago that he liked to create a bit of friction, so I'm sure he's living the dream now we are giving him a bit of bunter back ? really ????
I'm sure he'll see the bunny side of it all mate ?????????????????.
11.) 04 Apr 2025 14:23:14
Didn’t realise that was friction ?
Friction as in challenging your blind love of Arteta Vs my sensible but repetitive downer on him but you don’t engage on that front you just bleat on about old sayings, crap about improving or players trying hard ?
He doesn’t have cover for ode? Runs Saka into the ground, signs a poor forward, gets rid of 3 attackers, sells one for 4m that’s banging goals in for fun in Europe, buys defenders yet you moan about injuries and not having a decent attack? Look at your Emperor - he’s naked to everyone else yet you think he’s magic.
12.) 04 Apr 2025 14:57:59
If you 2 don’t stop I’m going to have to call the police
I hear starsky and HUTCH are on patrol.
13.) 04 Apr 2025 17:12:03
I can see Arteta really Bugs ? you. What we really need is real Thumper ? of the ball up front, Plus someone who is an Energizer ? in midfield. But the last thing we need are players who just Hare ? about Hare ? there and everywhere or any Playboy?type characters. ?????????????.
14.) 04 Apr 2025 20:01:17
Well, another discussion lost to the same tantrum.
15.) 04 Apr 2025 23:26:36
A little slow but I knew Moe would pipe up at some stage…. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!
What was that Moe?
If you check I just shared an opinion of what I thought we needed - no tantrum until your mates Curly and Larry piped up with jokes as old as watership down.
16.) 05 Apr 2025 16:07:42
He asked specifically about players - you did your usual infantile hatchet job in the form of demanding an assistant manager.
Sometimes I do sit back and admire the brazen confidence of the brainless.
14 Feb 2025 20:51:38
Sorry people I’m really down at minute looking at what we have availble I’m seriously reconsidering my expectations of us for in the premier league up until Kai injury I was expecting us to be close second to Liverpool. Now I’m praying for a miracle we finish top 4.
1.) 14 Feb 2025 21:35:19
The nice thing about the future is it's totally unknowable G4 mate, so often the stories we tell ourselves turn out to be completely wrong.
No one expected Forest to be where they are right now or for City to be out of the title race before Christmas.
Just remind yourself of Forest Gumps " life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get " sometimes what we have convinced ourselves is going to be a nasty chewy toffee ends up being a delicious soft centred strawberry delight ?.
2.) 15 Feb 2025 12:32:35
I am more positive for next season though. With all this time out most of the team will be together in the summer and renegerised for the new season. As long as we don’t do anything stupid like selling Saliba other teams will be worried us coming at them.
3.) 15 Feb 2025 14:36:02
What about afte today G4 mate? 4 points behind Liverpool and 6 ahead of Forest plus 10 ahead of Chelsea and 12 ahead of City both of who were declared to be to far ahead of us to catch earlier in the season
This season isn't over yet mate and neither is our title challenge, we may be depleted in numbers but we are currently still very much the team that just won't go away no matter what challenges we face or how many times people chooose to write us off.
Chin up G4 mate and up the Arsenal as always ?.
18 Jan 2025 09:34:37
Morning all. Looking forward to a good game this afternoon. It’s a big challenge for arteta and the team. In previous 5 meetings arteta has only beaten emery once drawn once and lost 3. A win today will be a great confidence booster for the team and fans.
I am seeing big names flying about and knowing arsenal I seriously don’t believe we are going for any of them. More think media creating click bites to draw fans in and building expectations up for a massive fall out at the end.
Last few seasons have shown that we do go on a strong run after the window so I am hopefull that even though we may not sign anyone significant our performance will pick up.
13 Jan 2025 13:04:28
Morning all. I have been trying not to post and hold my own emotions back. I was worried about last night game especially looking at how things have played out in the last month.
First of all, I wanted to address the fan's reactions to last night. No matter how long you have been following the club or how much you have struggled to attend the games we have no right to attack a players/ managers family. Give your head a good wobble go see the doctors because if you reacted like that over a game of football there is something seriously wrong with you. We are all humans and not even Totenham players deserve that.
The last two years we have been fortunate with fresh players not that many games and injury free team. Players are humans who do need rest and respite and have a life away from football and family to care for. I said before the game that United won't be a walk in the park as no matter how bad they are they will always put in a performance against us, and they did that yesterday.
Reports are now emerging of Arteta asking for players that he never got instead was provided with what we have today. If a manager came out and said so himself I wanted so and so and they gave me so and so what do you think that would do to the team morale and how long will the owners keep that manager in a job? Remember Conte at Tottenham when he gave a true picture of Tottenham failures.
When Arteta has tried to rotate the squad he has we all called him out (including myself) We all need to give him and the team time to progress. Yes he has had five years, in which he has taken us from almost bottom of the table to regularly fighting for 1st spot cemenet or Champions League position. That in itself is a massive task I for one would not have expected to be challenging like we are and very grateful for that.
For me its just as important to make sure that we have the right backroom staff as we have on the pitch and for me right now we don't have that. We need to fins a replacement for Edu as quick as possible. Someone who has good links with the scouting world of football who can unearth untapped players that will come in cheap and have good resale value. Then we need to find a striker who will finish all these chances that we are creating and strengthen other positions. Do we know anyone of this caliber (saying it quietly Wenger without having influence on the actual game)
If we want a quick fix and a one off Prem league title then let's go out to what leicester did but don't forget what happened to them soon after winning. We want to build a team that will consistently be winning titles teams that future generations will be proud off
I have said it before Arsenal was here well before me and most of the fan base (not sure about G62) and will be here a very long time after we are all gone. Enjoy what we have and where we are heading. don't stop posting because someone else has a different hought process to yourself that's the beauty of this site we have all have different views and they all count and i for love reading to all the posts.
If we can't be behind the team when they are going through a rough patch we are not fans of the team or club but glory hunters. If you are a glory hunter then you are probably supporting the wrong club because we do not jump ship when the going gets tough and it is very tough right now
Now for the next game Tottenham are going to get it hard and I'm expecting a high scoring game, i'm hoping Ange won't be parking the bus and that will give us opportunities which we can exploit.
COYG We love you all.
{Ed025's Note - cracking post that G4E, and what you said about the abuse to the wife of KH is spot on...absolutely horrendous and out of order mate...kudos..
1.) 13 Jan 2025 14:38:43
With the exception of your comments about the vile hate players are receiving, I don't agree with anything you're saying. Particularly, the comments about being glory hunters. You're talking about many fans here who have been supporting the club for several decades. Hardly glory hunters.
I'm not in the Arterta out bandwagon, but I don't get the idea of you and others trying to wrap him in cottonwool. I'm not sure why there's allegations of wrongdoing, or why we as fans, need to care about who was responsible for signings. These people are paid extremely highly to do this, and over the last few seasons they seem to have seriously screwed the proverbial pooch.
There's accountability and responsibility. You can't keep blaming the match ball and expecting that to fly.
2.) 13 Jan 2025 16:41:49
Right until this season we had been improving every year. If this season ends up being a failure (still plenty of games to play) in my opinion Arteta would still deserve another chance to get us back on track. However, he would have to surpass not only this season but last season as well to keep his place beyond next season.
Mistakes were made last summer but i have no idea who should take the blame. Next summer will be huge though. I would love to see someone come in january as well. I know it's not easy (been reading ed001's replies) but things are starting to look desperate for us. A new forward could give us a huge lift.
3.) 13 Jan 2025 17:05:47
100% agree. I understand Arteta took us from 4th to challenging again, but that was not the ultimate aim. The aim was to start winning again, and we haven’t. We have been disgustingly poor in the cup competitions and at times bottled the league. This is the time and season for him to move on if we don’t win the league or CL. Think of the bigger picture, the likes of Saliba leaving because he wants to win. Do you want to go through another cycle of rebuilding or do you want to win now? That is the question.
4.) 13 Jan 2025 17:39:01
RSharpe i'm glad we agree on something. People often take things out of context and read what they want to see, or what they believe someone is referring too. I have not asked for Arteta to be wrapped in cotton wool. I have asked for time to be given and tehre is nothing wrong with that.
People mention Arteta has been here 5 years and should be held accountable. I have not read his contract but I can only assume his initial obligation would have been to turn things around and make us competitive in the market. I don't know about you but if you read some of my earlier posts of a few years ago at times I was questioning if Arsenal were still the club that I fell in love with all those years ago. This was not an over night thing players had left managers had left back room staff had left ownerships had changed, club ethos where being questioned.
Arteta came and has successfully changed all that and those who have been part of changing company culture and ethos will appreciate the work and effort that goes into that. We are now at a stage where we are looking for the next jump this is delivering silver and being on the top of the game. It won't happen over night especially with our limited spending power. that's why in my earlier posts this year I said we should be looking at reviewing Arteta managerial position. Review should take into consideration if Arteta is the right person is delivering on club expectations. Some reports already suggest he had to force the signings through of fury and Merino although jury is still out if they were the right signings.
The comment with the match ball I believe like Sir Wenger earlier commented is a tactical genious. It takes all the pressure away from the team even though it makes him look like an idiot. Keeps the pressure away from the team. Seems to me he wants the best for the club and fans but we don't see it.
I don't claim to have inside knowledge of what goes on inside the club and how they conduct the business, but surely if you are bringing the wrong people to the team than that would be looking at the recruitment process rather than the training process. If Edu couldn't find/ pay for a striker than you can't really blame Arteta for playing a striker. that's why we as fans need to look at the bigger picture. The owners will happily change the manager because then the pressure stays off them. Accountability and responsibility is set by them and measured by them I am sure they would have reviewed that when his contract was up
As mentioned in previous posts I think we should sit tight see who the club decide to replace Edu with and if the said person delivers the players we need.
United we stand devided we fall. We have the foundations of great team let's get behind them and our young manager. He will bring devident. Please don't take this post as battering people down with alternative thought process I strongly believe the sucess of this site is down to having a mixture of opinions without which it would die out and would hate for that to happen.
5.) 13 Jan 2025 17:49:32
I think once the fans start to lose faith in the manager and/ or the players it is a very slippery slope to get back to the top.
I can't see Arteta giving up his position voluntarily but I'm reading Trossard, Kiwior, Tierney and Jorghino are close to moving on and Partey is out of contract in the summer.
I assume Marquinos, Viera and Reiss Nelson will all be sold in the summer. That's quite a turnround in the next few months.
I can't agree with a get him out now approach. We haven't been the same since the Invincibles so perhaps we need to realise that we don't have a God-given right to be the best but we can TRY to be the best we can. Looking round the other forums it seems we are very disliked for our arrogance and cheating. Not things I want our club to be associated with. I assume all the faffing about wasting time is a new Arteta tactic to try to get an edge and I hope that is soon history.
I think we have to be realistic about this season and so does Arteta.
{Ed025's Note - yeah Sally the Arsenal are not liked very much at the moment according to the other teams pages mate, not that it will bother many gooner fans i expect who may just think its a bit of jealousy, top 4 looks like the most you can achieve this season but the next campaign is massive for Arteta, that is of course that he is still at the helm by then..
6.) 13 Jan 2025 18:27:42
Completely agree with all you said, gunns!
And the opposition fans also hated us when we had Wenger, a literal messiah for English football, so I could care less if our recent upturn in fortunes has inspired their envy.
7.) 13 Jan 2025 18:56:37
Excellent post G4 mate ?
Unfortunately I couldn't afford the required sixpence to help form Dial Square back in 1886, my pension just wouldn't stretch to it back then mate ????.
8.) 13 Jan 2025 20:30:40
Hi G4,
I read that we have some key contracts up for renewal soon. If we don’t win something this year or next - we are in trouble.
I have to assume 700m comes with expectation of trophies and based on rumour Edu left due to Arteta’s increasing power - I find it hard someone else chose our signings plus Arteta prioritised positions over a striker. He loves Kai.
My main issues are the playing style, squad quality, tactics and lack of energy in our play. I think we have no real leaders and certainly have not addressed the mentality of the club and players.
He’s improved us but I think he lacks that killer instinct and tactical shrewdness. How many lower teams out play us by changing tactics.
If he’s still got the changing room - why can’t he get them playing better at start of each half after a team talk
Injuries are real but so is his shallow squad and duds that are playing in European leagues. The poor signings really have not helped and they weren’t cheap.
Passing sideways - on him
No striker and all attacks via Saka - on him
I have some sympathy and appreciation but I don’t think he’s got the horsepower. I’d give him one more season and minimum required is a trophy and top 3.
Happily get behind him as he’s a Gooner but he hasn’t earned much more time than that especially as he can’t seem to stop the slow sideways / backward bollox we are doing.
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9.) 13 Jan 2025 22:18:07
Edu has publicly denied there is a problem with Arteta SY, unless he's telling porkies.
10.) 13 Jan 2025 23:30:14
Speaking on The Transfers Podcast, Castles said: “Arteta went into the season in his strongest position of power ever at the club, having been handed a new three-year contract in September.
“That contract, I’m told, was one of the key reasons why Edu resigned his position as sporting director to take up a broader position with Nottingham Forest and Olympiakos owner Evangelos Marinakis, the multi-club group, because he wasn’t happy with Arteta’s increasing authority at the club. ”.
11.) 14 Jan 2025 00:01:58
Also from the Independent
Arsenal have instead gone in another direction, and some of this is understood to be partly linked to changing dynamics within the club. As executive vice-chair, Tim Lewis, is the Kroenke ownership’s most influential figure, with the football department entirely revolving around Mikel Arteta. The Basque's transformative impact ensured he was promoted from head coach to outright manager, inherently lessening the role of any technical director.
11 Jan 2025 16:48:06
Personally, I think rather than looking at the blame to lie on the players and the manager we should be looking at our legal team accountants and finance department. How are teams like Chelsea able to sign any players they want without facing any charges, how are Mancity able to avoid prosecution and they have 115 charges? How are other Teams like Man United year in and year out able to spend money. Looks like our club has already we can't afford Izak surely that would only be if ARteta is identifying to the club we need a striker and he wants a striker.
{Ed014's Note - they haven’t avoided punishment yet although they really only have 3 serious charges, those 3 enough to cost them plenty, if they have a case to answer, which would seem quite likely.
United have been a global money maker so have been able to spend, albeit badly.
Chelsea had used the ability to sign players on ridiculously long contracts as a way of getting around Financial constraints, I think that loop hole has been closed.
We’ve spent a fair old wedge but of course having been out of the Champions league for so long and not challenging for a similar length of time does have a big impact on finances.
1.) 11 Jan 2025 17:57:06
G4E - questions are being asked but not soon enough. Look at how quickly Everton had to answer questions. However, we are needing to chase Liverpool and we’ve had a fortune to spend but decided to prioritise defensive reinforcements and a different type of frontman.
Chelsea loophole is ridiculous but clever. Utd are a huge club and City are cheats however we still need to compete. We need to control what we can control - our signings and how we play. Hopefully a nice big win tomorrow. May be try Jesus on the left. ?.
2.) 12 Jan 2025 02:31:20
Realistic expectation I'm dreading tomorrow. Man you seem to always turn up when they play us. Won't be a walk in the park.
3.) 12 Jan 2025 02:56:39
We identified a successful plan to buy youth, coach them up, and sell the ones who don't make the team better. I feel that we lost sight of this plan as soon as Arteta took us to 2nd way ahead of schedule. Spending loads more money isn't how we put ourselves in a strong position. Adhering to a sustainable model, however, is.
We need to stop looking at this season as "win at all costs" and instead look at how we can successfully turn the club into a dynasty that can compete successfully for 10 years on the trot. I know it's not how football fans think, but this is how you topple Man City IMO.
4.) 12 Jan 2025 08:49:44
Morning Wire - that feels like the Wenger plan and eventually thst plan crumbles unless we win something. Players won’t wait around. It is balance and I like seeing LS break into the side and there’s a lot of youth in todays squad., I’m not sure he's deserted that but you still need to sprinkle it with top quality signings. The 700m wasn’t all spent last summer and was part of our runners up trophies. We just didn’t spend that 700m in the right areas or effectively. So now we have a number of sub-par signings blocking youth OR still need upgrading. We can’t compete with youth alone and we don’t have the expertise or funds to buy the players.
We need to improve our acquisition and disposal strategy L. We need to keep youth coming thru. Get a bigger and stronger squad due to injuries and more matecgrd.
I think biggest return is attacking fast - that’s the biggest change required.
Surely we have more youth this season than last.
I would say we are feeling not addressing LW, CF and FB/ CB cover due to poor purchasing.
5.) 12 Jan 2025 11:03:45
I agree with wire this year should be seen as that. However I also agree with SY4 in that if we don’t have the youth to cover the position we should bring in experienced established reinforcement. But this would cost big and we don’t have the money. So we are stuck.
6.) 12 Jan 2025 12:20:54
Hi G4 mate, constantly thinking about how things should be but aren't is a guaranteed recipe for persistent dissatisfaction and unhappiness, while accepting what is and trusting everything will work out with or without our worrying and other thinking about it is a recipe for accepting and enjoying the good things.
If we lose today some people will go into meltdown overdrive while others will allow their disappointment to pass quickly and consenteate on what is still achievable this season.
Obviously its very much up to each of us to choose which way we want to go.
7.) 12 Jan 2025 13:41:23
There's no fun in that g62 we have to express our thoughts n try and put some perceptive on it.
8.) 12 Jan 2025 14:27:28
Fair comment G4 mate ? as long as its bringing you pleasure where's the harm ?.
09 Mar 2025 09:38:22
Andrea Berta is a step in the right direction. If he gets the financial backing and players coming back from injuries Next season has to be a phenomanal season for us.
02 Feb 2025 15:47:47
unfortunetly I am getting ready for the fall out in the upcoming weeks when the club states we tried (Watkins) but nothing availble, and Nwaneri is like a new signing.
02 Feb 2025 13:52:41
I thought about that until I heard he turned down Tottenham for potential loan deal at man united.
29 Aug 2024 13:43:50
DCL is injury prone and toney has too much baggage neither for me.
28 Aug 2024 16:44:52
Darvin nunez work rate is phernominal. Would love to see him in an arsenal shirt arteta to get the best out of him.
17 Apr 2025 17:15:56
So whens MG doing his run outside tottenham.
09 Apr 2025 13:58:38
What a game we really did play them off the field. For me every single player on the pitch and the subs, the manager, the coaching staff and the fans in attendence did their job and played football that was truly enjoyable.
Like you say this is only the first half the second half to come next week and I can't wait. Hopefully you will have your son watching and can be our lucky charm.
Going to bernabeau is not going to be easy and we need to make sure we turn up. play like yesterday and we are in the semis anything less and its going to game on in their favour.
What ever the result I am and will be a proud Arsenal supporter at the end behind the team and the manager.
18 Mar 2025 11:44:59
I have consistently said that winning the premier league at the moment is just not about the team or manager. You have to have some luck and decisions go your way.
If you had told me last season man city would collapse early on I would have definetly expected us to do one better this season and be expecting to win the premier league. However if you told me that We also would be have the injuries we had, I would have a realistic approach to it approach and a top 6 finish would have been my ideal finish.
There is no harm in being ambitious and certainly if you don't chnage your approach if things do not work out then you stand to go back wards rather than forwards. At the moment we are moving forwards. I owuld have liked us to priotise one of the cups this season but unfortunatley with our injuries it was just not possible, very dissappointed.
For me if we get the right players of the highest quality, and we are not in a better position than we are currently in than I strongly believe we shoudl look for another manager. However if we do not get the players we need then Arteta can do as he pleases. He has earned that
If you remember 3/ 4 seasons ago we were all calling for the head of Arteta because he was failing to launch a realistic challenge for the league and not qualifying for the champions league spot. I remember people even talking about bringing in Big Sam to prevent relegation. I and i think every other fan in the world wants us to be able to challenge on all fronts and bring in the trophys, however this will take time. We have an amazing starting 11 and we now have discovered more gems to back them up. If we add the 3/ 4 players we need. I think there will be no stopping us for every long time.
Together we stand and devided we fall COYG we have a really bright furture.
15 Mar 2025 23:23:29
I have waited a long time to be in this position challenging some of the biggest teams in world of football. Unfortunately due the circumstances we find ourselves injury I don't hold out much at the moment but hey I do believe I miracles and you never know. aslong as we give it a good go and put a fight I will be happy.
12 Mar 2025 16:58:47
I have to be realistic to myself Arteta has done an amazing job so far. Unfortunately this season we have had a huge injury to our starting 11, and we did not have many players that we could utilise in the positions injured in. We must not forget though this a starting point for thread and club whereas the other clubs their teams are coming to the end of their time and the rebuilding process starts for them. They say every grey cloud has a silver lining and I see the lining in the excellent players that have come forward. With the correct signings in summer (which are not down Arteta as much as we keep saying it) . If by christmas we are not favourites in all 4 then we should start looking for new Manager. If by the end of season we do not deliver at least a cup/ trophy than we look for a new manager. This does depend on injuries and ref/ var decisions going against us. If we do not get the right players in the summer than We should make a Golden Statue of Arteta and give him keys to the city.