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19 Sep 2024 21:05:29
This Rice red card situation is becoming a problem. It was a terrible call, in my opinion, but decisions happen in football, for and against, and it wasn't totally without nuance. We ended up forcing an amazing result against the spuds, so we should just move on, right?
Except the ref associations, and all their surrogates, can't stop lecturing that 2 plus 2 is 5, completely tying themselves in a corrupt knot. So it's going to happen again, because there's zero learning happening, just spin.
The audio from the incident is so incompetent. The yellow card is not in a bubble of its own. It can't be stopping a quick free kick, because obviously the ball never stopped moving, and Veltman.
1.) 20 Sep 2024 11:40:04
Liverpool fan here gunner - I get the explanation in that yeah, if he kicked the ball away then the rules are a yellow card, alright I guess, but:
- should the keeper not have gotten a yellow card for just kicking Rice in the knee? Aye the ball was kicked away, but what he missed the ball and just kicked him in the knee, not the foot? Some miss that you would think, almost like he aimed for his knee - wonder where VAR was for that.
- like you say, the ball was moving. How can you take a free kick if the ball is moving? So, he couldn't have taken a free kick and Rice didn't prevent him from doing so then? VAR not see the ball was moving? Or did that not matter?
- the 'quick free kick' angle - if you see the reverse angle, there was literally none of his team mates anywhere near where he was supposedly kicking it! I mean, not one official thought to point that out?
- then, under the rules of the game, kicking the ball away is a yellow card offence, so then where was the yellow card for the offence in the 1st half? That guy didn't even just flick it, he proper belted it and that's ok then? Is the offence based upon how hard it is kicked? Where on the pitch it happens? Maybe only if certain players are involved?
Fans, players and managers have issues with the way these rules are enforced - just seemingly on an ad hoc basis, is it because of the stadiums the game is in? The teams involved? Players involved at each incident? Who knows, just the inconsistency is awful.
The worse is that such incidents are just not covered - the audio awful and yet people back these decisions instead of doing something about it fs - we used to get Dermot Gallagher on TV actually rewriting rules to tell us 'why the decision was correct' only then to completely reverse that stance when a different decision for an identical situation happened the next week - that too, he then explained was 'correct'
You had Clattenburg say that the ref needed to give free kicks to Milan to 'win over the crowd' against Liverpool the other night - seriously? Give a free kick if its a free kick! And unsurprisingly, the media etc have just not commented on that either.
2.) 21 Sep 2024 09:34:53
Thank you Bill, you've done an excellent job basically finishing my post after I accidentally sent it half way through!
I'm still angry about it. It's not that a bad decision went against the team I support. It's hearing the audio, knowing the incompetent process they went through, and then having to listen to the constant, corrupt defence of it from the panels and associations.
I imagine at least someone in the background is stressing for this to not happen again, as it looks awful. Publically though, it's been set in stone that if a similar incident is repeated, the ref should make the same bad decision, with the same incompetent following of the rules. Another Rice should be sent off, and another Veltman should get away with assault. That's it, that's football now, carry on!
Do we just put up with a season of random, inconsistent decisions that totally change the course of games, because afterwards the refs all say together that whatever just happened was the right decision, we just didn't know it before?
I see the 'discourse' of rival fans laughing about it, or being angry at 'moaning Arsenal'. Off the top of my head, I'm not so sure Wolves, Forest, Liverpool fans are so quick to laugh after decisions last season. Surely we shouldn't be so busy enjoying the incompetence when it creates misery for another club, and be demanding massive improvement? I'm not saying I know what to do, but the fact the refs definitely don't is a problem.
19 Nov 2022 19:10:00
This World Cup gets harder and harder to tolerate. The very last minute changes to alcohol in stadiums is relatively trivial, but speaks for what a charade this whole affair is. The Infantino rant today is something special. Paper thin arguments trying to trick us and bully us into supporting something awful. What for? It's just the money. There is no integrity to be seen. This tournament is happening NOW you idiot, nor 300 years ago. This tournament was bought 12 years ago, not won on a promise of enlightenment. If a slave master came into the future to tell us people are not property, I'd have bones to pick with their hypocrisy. This 'lesson' is a distraction from the only thing that really matters here; the money.
First I love playing football. I'd play all day everyday if I still could. Second is watching football, which for me is basically thinking about playing. Third is the fun of supporting. I'm here because I'm an Arsenal fan, but I'm also an England fan, and lower down I have an affinity with other clubs for various reasons.
You have to accept that there's profit to made from
football support, but more and more I can't accept that people are deciding they own our support. If England have to play at a horrible tournament, my support is being exploited. If Arsenal join a euro super league, and I can't realistically watch them ever again, my support is a currency I'll have to surrender or accept being exploited, but either way I'm poorer.
My support is bought for free, but paid for dearly. How long before this terrible deal catches up with real life? I can't afford to fill my fridge, but of course, you hold my club to ransom for 300k a week. Seems less and less worth it. Then if Arsenal fail at some point, and the money goes elsewhere, I still lose, because I can't ever get another club that lives in my heart like this one does.
1.) 19 Nov 2022 21:14:16
I personally made the decision sometime ago not to watch a single minute of this world cup because of the human right abuses attached to its hosts
I was always aware that the closer the tournament got the more difficult it might be for me personally to stick to my personal protest, I am very happy to say that on the eve of the tournament starting I am more comfortable with my decision than I've ever been and have about less desire to watch this world cup than I do watch cheese mould.
2.) 19 Nov 2022 21:42:52
Brilliant post Ned. I think the worst part is that the awarding of the bribes to senior officials and paying for "fans" has been so blatant - even reported in major news outlets - without a word of any judicial action.
This world cup has been about corruption from day 1 and the attempts to ignore the migrant deaths and mistreatment have made it a farce to boot.
3.) 20 Nov 2022 08:52:07
I am watching it only because I am a passionate Arsenal and england fan but it should not be held where it is.
4.) 20 Nov 2022 12:38:49
I don't understand why they wanted it and paid so much to get it, obviously to sportswash, so we associate them with the world cup and not anything bad. Although the scrutiny it invited has clearly had the opposite effect! But it's like hosting a party to make everyone like you, you know what they like to do and is normal for them, you've said no problem, it's going to be a great party! Then when they come round you say they can't and require them to do things they find strict. Your house, your rules, fair enough, except everyone's leaving thinking you're even more of a d*ck than they did to start with. Better off not inviting everyone round in the first place.
5.) 20 Nov 2022 12:39:30
Good for you Stephen, to each our own mate, it's not a right or wrong thing it's a personal thing for us all.
I personally hope sponsors and advertisers get their worse return on investment in world cup history and fifa are humiliated into never again daring to so blatantly and so obviously put their own personal financial gain ahead other people's life's and human rights.
I personally think an Iran v Qatar final is exactly what this tournament needs and deserves.
6.) 20 Nov 2022 12:56:11
These posts are life affirming and it shows what an amazing bunch of people support Arsenal.
I suppose the dilemma for me is what difference does it make if I watch the games now?
If I choose not to my conscience is clear. If I choose to support our players I now have to take politics out of the equation.
Either way it doesn't affect anyone else.
I hope the next World Cup is under much tighter scrutiny than this
shambles. I love the concept that all continents should share equally in hosting this feast of football, but fairly and without corruption. I always was a dreamer!
I suppose the reality is the sporting world is money driven and we either accept that or not. But, and its a big but, things can change, here's hoping ?
So, I will be supporting our guys. After all they didn't create the problem and short of refusing an England place on moral grounds they are just pawns in the whole situation.
7.) 20 Nov 2022 14:22:38
I totally respect your personal decision Sally and I hope you enjoy the football ?.
8.) 20 Nov 2022 14:39:40
I think it’s stupid to stop the season, personally this World Cup could ruin our title hopes or top 4 hopes our players who are out there if they get knocked out there spirits will be low and that does not help us one bit this World Cup is going to decide our season, i for one are not looking forward to it.
9.) 21 Nov 2022 10:10:33
I still believe we will be champions come may.
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21 Sep 2024 09:34:53
Thank you Bill, you've done an excellent job basically finishing my post after I accidentally sent it half way through!
I'm still angry about it. It's not that a bad decision went against the team I support. It's hearing the audio, knowing the incompetent process they went through, and then having to listen to the constant, corrupt defence of it from the panels and associations.
I imagine at least someone in the background is stressing for this to not happen again, as it looks awful. Publically though, it's been set in stone that if a similar incident is repeated, the ref should make the same bad decision, with the same incompetent following of the rules. Another Rice should be sent off, and another Veltman should get away with assault. That's it, that's football now, carry on!
Do we just put up with a season of random, inconsistent decisions that totally change the course of games, because afterwards the refs all say together that whatever just happened was the right decision, we just didn't know it before?
I see the 'discourse' of rival fans laughing about it, or being angry at 'moaning Arsenal'. Off the top of my head, I'm not so sure Wolves, Forest, Liverpool fans are so quick to laugh after decisions last season. Surely we shouldn't be so busy enjoying the incompetence when it creates misery for another club, and be demanding massive improvement? I'm not saying I know what to do, but the fact the refs definitely don't is a problem.
29 Aug 2023 22:29:52
Sy4, how do you know he's on 'ridiculous' wages? Apart from click bait press headlines, which I believe are just made up figures. All footballers wages are too high, if that's a reason to question all of their worth?
Your reply just sounds like gaslighting. Your post was obviously personal and hateful! Have pride if that is your bag. Being a 'passionate' fan is no excuse for anything. His 'laziness' is just made up, like it was for ozil. Don't pretend like you know what arteta thought of ozil, and don't hide behind vague opinions that back you up about havertz.
You've decided he's a total failure before it's been proved, and used that to further justify a range of attacks on his nature and character. Even if your guesses and prejudice are proved correct, I just don't see how you can defend your original post as anything other than trolling. SORRY, as apparently your temperament will need an advanced apology!
29 Aug 2023 17:15:42
What a nasty, personal, vitriolic attack of one of our own players. You've created your own anger at this situation, or listened to the bleatings of an attention hungry pundit maybe. I don't recognise this post as representative of a supporter.
16 Jun 2023 13:58:53
Sounds pretty normal. what should the add ons be according to you?
16 Sep 2022 12:15:34
Sharpe, I'm only going to make one more reply on this thread, as yours is an interesting reply, and I'm not here to upset the casual arsenal posters.
This isn't opinion vs opinion. Ed033 volunteered an essay on something not true, then capped it off by saying we're duped by "lies" to believe climate change. This blinkered ignorance is akin, and also leads to antivax, anti body autonomy, and movements rife in misogyny, homophobia and racism. I don't look for these backwards thoughts on the Internet, but when I see them I'm not ashamed to ***k them off as I see fit. These issues will affect my children, family and friends far into the future. These people weaken our society. They have lead to deaths, and will lead to more deaths.
All the best, carry on.
{Ed033's Note - Instead of trying to debunk my text with sound reasoning, you opt for using crazy buzzwords; "misogyny, homophobia and racism" etc.