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16 May 2018 14:51:00
I can understand there being some 'debate' here about Arteta's imminent appointment, if, indeed that proves to be the case, but the outright dismissal of it seems peculiar. Had there been this forum in 1996 would we have all said the same about the appointment of Wenger? Would Barcelona fans have whinged about the appointment of the untested Guardiola? Zidane had no managerial experience before he took Real Madrid to the verge of three Champions League wins on the bounce.
Arteta isn't necessarily my own choice - I'd go for Jokanovic or Nagelsmann myself if we were going to be "bold" - but to read the comments I have seen here in the last few days, it does seem as if we are damned if we do, damned if we don't and as for the "thank you Wenger Ot guys" comment, it was about as clear as it could be that Arsene had (more than) run his course and it was time for a change.
I'm not sure whether I've read it right, but there seems to be a suggestion here that it could be Arteta with Cazorla? If so, I think it's a fascinating choice. It will either end up as a Wilf McGuinness / Frank O'Farrell appointment or it could be a Pep Guardiola - or maybe even something in between! Who knows?
1.) 16 May 2018 15:00:10
I don't believe the rumors myself, but ill delve in as its the hot topic. i'm not opposed to Arteta at all, I agree completely. He could be a success, he could be a failure. i'm fairly sure he was thought very highly of when passing his badges, apparently being outstanding in the training. We all wanted change, and this is change. With Ivan, Raul and Sven overseeing things, a coach as opposed to a manager sounds pretty decent to me. If after a season or 2 he fails, we search again.
2.) 16 May 2018 16:21:55
I just believe that we need someone new. Arteta is not new. He was a part of the problem.
3.) 16 May 2018 16:27:04
The main point is that it is a hot topic and the general feeling is that it’s going to be a very unpopular choice and he and the club will be on a hiding to nothing. I think it would be very risky and frankly a stupid choice. You have to remember that it just isn’t an unpopular choice amongst the fans it’s not the first, second or third choice with the board so it needs to be Carlo, Benitez or emery in my opinion. But I honestly cannot see it been Arteta.
4.) 16 May 2018 17:13:40
To be honest he's not my choice at all. But if it's him. I will. Get behind him 100 percent and aw all. Should. Worries me that some might moan and protest if it doesn't start well. But if he's so good at coaching then why not take the risk. I belive the guys doing the transfers are taking us in the right direction so this could work. Arsenalex that sound a bit harsh on arteta to say he was part of the problem before. You seem to think he was more than just a player doing what his manager said.
5.) 16 May 2018 17:18:51
Not one arsenal fan, desired arteta when the chance of a new manager arose. It doesn't matter at the initial stage of his (if true) appointment if he is going to be a success or not. Its what would be behind it and the reason that will upset many people. Anyone appointed wouldn't please everone but arteta would please less. Not the start this new beggining needs and it would start with a massive handicap, faith or lack of.
6.) 16 May 2018 18:03:14
This is totally different to Wenger arrival and also totally different era the competition is a lot tougher. Both Zidane and pep managed the b teams before hand.
They also had Messi and Ronaldo to soften the blow.
7.) 16 May 2018 18:31:55
Agree Derby, no comparison, wenger at least had been a manager in football.
{Ed0333's Note - Arteta smacks of mediocrity at best and failure at worst. If you guys were gonna go young and bold who better than Naggelsman? He just got Hoffenheim Champions League football in his second season and taking them to the CL qualifiers in his first season. Has worked under Tuchel and speaks English. For me he is the epitome of young and bold. If indeed you do get Arteta is it an appointment for Art for arts sake?
8.) 16 May 2018 19:11:05
Ed, agree but there is a fine line between bold and stupid.
{Ed0333's Note - looks like you already have stupid and bold wrapped up mate.
9.) 16 May 2018 19:43:21
If he was to get the job it's totally irrelevant whether Artetta is popular or not with yhe fans right now it's how we feel about him or whoever gets the job next May that matters.
Allgeri or Simeone would bring no guarantee of success and Artetta holds no guarantee of failure.
No matter who gets the job and no matter how much people like or dislike the chioce the club makes it would be crazy to not even be prepared to give them a chance to prove the board right and the doubters wrong.
10.) 16 May 2018 20:11:40
Gunner, this is the real world and a big thing called patience, which we all have. The problem and it is a massive problem, arteta would have less time and chances than someone who had a record. This club needs a big rebound and if he deliver from the B of the bang, he will be ok. The problem arises when we hit a sticky patch andxthat patience is thin. Wenger came in and made an instant impact otherwise, he would have been the next bruce rioch. Arteta would not get any time and that is not what this club needs, instability.
11.) 17 May 2018 10:03:19
But Steve whoever the board appoints once it's done it's done and we as fans have two choices, give them a chance or give them constant stick simply because they were not who we wanted them to be.
It will be who it will be we can't chose that but what we can chose is to give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves to be either brilliant or useless.
12.) 17 May 2018 11:59:15
Ed0333, glad to see you are still part of the nagelsmann cult :-)
He would be a perfect coach. His training is extra ordinary and his tactics are out of this world. He mixes up everything. Sometimes too direct which is very different from the usual advocates of possession based, positional play which involves meticulous build up. But heard he rejected arsenal or are those reports untrue ED?
{Ed0333's Note - I have no idea if he rejected Arsenal, that doesn’t sound plausible to me. I mean if you were a young, hungry and ambitious manager and Arsenal came knocking it’s a no brainer
13.) 17 May 2018 23:20:09
Ed i think you might be over-rating the arsenal job a bit.
It is a squad riddled with average players and one that needs serious investment and it seems the board does not want to invest in the team.
No matter how good a coach is, he needs talented players to work with so i am afraid it would take a miracle to transform arsenal into serial winners, a fact every sensible coach is aware of. I think they are all running away because they are afraid their reputation will be hurt which is very likely at a club like arsenal which doesn't want to invest into new players.
I believe he might have rejected arsenal because i heard it from a guy on twitter who is an AST member and he is very reliable when it comes to Arsenal rumours. He said arsenal's inquiry into nagelsmann went nowhere. It was instantly knocked back. That sounds like rejection to me.
{Ed0333's Note - im not privy to any Arsenal approach for Nag Ed’s 002 is your guy for that but I think you may be underestimating the Arsenal job its definitely an attractive one. Brand new shiny stadium, loyal fan base, based in London, a decent transfer budget and a fat salary to boot how many coaches would turn that down?
14.) 17 May 2018 23:48:45
Ed is a shame we are not going to get any well known decent coach. IMO the coach who was tailor made for arsenal despite his personal issues was tuchel but he went to PSG. Nagelsmann would have made a great substitute despite his young age.
Ed do you think Arteta would become a great manager? I know he will definately implement possession based positional play like guardiola but will he be good as good as guardiola?
People talk about guardiola being just a disciple of cryuff but they also seem to forget that pep was very analytical. For example the decision to move messi from the wing to a false number 9;guardiola was asked about that and i remember him saying he did that because the damage messi could do on the wing is limited because his movement is limited to 180 degrees but in the middle he can a full 360 degrees. If you think about it, it is genius. Guardiola's awareness of space is simply on another level. Can arteta be as good as his mentor? what do you think Ed?
{Ed0333's Note - I think you need a few days off Punani. Forget about Arsenal, Nagelsmann, Arteta, and Pep for a while. Make love to someone or something (there’s blow up dolls that offer the girlfriend experience) eat some pistachio ice cream, instead of clicking everything on the Tinternet Arsenal related read some Jean Paul Sartre, take a long warm bath listening to ambient sleep music, think of anything but football. Maybe watch a Bollywood film or three and divert your attention from all things Arsenal because you will start frothing at the mouth and give yourself an involuntary twitch if you carry on the way your doing. I’m genuinely worried about you mate....This is a legit intervention
15.) 18 May 2018 12:41:49
ED thanks for the concern, much appreciated. I am perfectly fine though. I am not in a tough place or anything, it is just that i love talking about The game especially the tactical side of it but i appreciate your thought. You are a top man.
{Ed0333's Note - Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rogers drove me to the depths of despair when they managed Liverpool and I knew the myriad of emotions they put me through, I was like a cat on a hot tin roof. Couldn’t wait for them to get sacked, especially Hodgson, in fact there was a time that I stopped watching liverpool games because of that man. Football managers are like women in a nightclub you very rarely get the one you want the Instagram glamour model but invariably you manage to pul some lookers. Unless your spurs of course who only get decent managers once in a lifetime.
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29 Nov 2019 20:57:59
Vieira, wo oh oh oh
Vieira, wo oh oh oh
He comes from Senegal
To manage Arsenal
Bring in Patrick, with Denis and Freddie to assist, and why not get in Tony and Martin to teach the defenders to - ahem - defend!
What could possibly go wrong?
1.) 29 Nov 2019 21:10:07
Yeah give Vieria a a shot why not. I think we need somebody who understands the Arsenal DNA cause I think we have lost that identity.
2.) 29 Nov 2019 21:52:11
Big Tony would certainly stop anyone missing Emery :-) I remember his interviews pre and post match when he was Portsmouth manager! What is Tony talking about? Was always the question on everyone's lips at the time, everything he said we like a cryptic crossword puzzle clue :-)
3.) 29 Nov 2019 22:53:20
The only slight issue may be that he is not actually a good manager, based on the performance of teams he has managed and the current league position of his club, which I believe is just outside the relegation places?
4.) 29 Nov 2019 23:05:31
Great players don’t necessarily make great managers, sentiment is nice but we are in danger of being a mid table side - experiments with novice managers isn’t what I’d be doing.
5.) 30 Nov 2019 09:37:47
Leno
Bellerin socs holding/ luiz Tierney
Torreira luiz/ guendouzi
Ceballos
Pepe. Lacca Pea.
15 Nov 2019 06:49:46
That Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain looks a decent prospect. He'd be a handy acquisition.
If only we could decide what position he could play for us in.
Oh.
1.) 15 Nov 2019 06:57:59
In the words of Julia Roberts in pretty woman " big mistake HUGE " not playing Ox in our cental midfield and keeping him a gooner.
Couldn't understand it at the time and don't suppose I ever will.
2.) 15 Nov 2019 10:47:11
He was injury prone and still is lol.
3.) 15 Nov 2019 12:54:15
Oxlade, Gnabry and others were handled very oddly. They clearly had talent, but the club failed to bring them through.
4.) 15 Nov 2019 17:26:03
Arsene simply refused to give Ox a run of games in cm or ever play 90 minutes in any position and the lads confidence visibly demonised the longer he was with us, signs for Liverpool under Klopp and immediately plays cm and wins rave reviews, every Liverpool fan I've spoken to thinks very highly of Ox in their shirt.
Gnarby was so so weird as the lad looked class in the very few opportunities Arsenal would give him in the first team .
Ox Gnarby and Joel Campbell all out performed Arsenes chosen favourites every time that got chance, which probably explains why they simply had to go in Arsenes eyes.
5.) 15 Nov 2019 22:19:54
Lot of revisionism going on in this thread.
Ox: clearly not a good enough passer in CM for the way Arsenal played. He wanted to leave, we got huge money for him. He is still not a fantastic passer for Liverpool, but he has tons of energy which perfectly fits Klopp's team. Right move for all parties.
Gnabry: Arsenal wanted to keep, but botched loan spell meant he had his head set on leaving and already worked out a deal with Bayern to leave for cheap and move on after a season to Munich.
Campbell: Decent at times. Nowhere near as good as the players he was trying to displace: Ozil and Alexis.
Club have stuffed it up many times in the transfer window but not on these ones.
{Ed047's Note - I agree with you and the Ox is always an injury away from 6 months out.
6.) 15 Nov 2019 23:20:27
Joel Campbell only got his chance because of injury but he took it well but was frozen out by Theo not Ozil and Sanchez once he was fit.
Ozil or Sanchez rather than Campbell no argument but the aphrodisiac form of Theo was never enough to freeze out Campbell on merit.
25 Apr 2018 17:35:39
Jokanovic! Todays horse.
If we are going to be bold and try something new, then for me, Arteta and Vieira are too untested in England (or at all in Arteta's case) .
I'd be happy with Rafael Benitez, but failing him, I'd suggest we consider Slavisa Jokanovic who has proved to have a winning touch and can nurture talent.
Just sayin'.
1.) 25 Apr 2018 18:11:53
Bit Random that mate ;-)
What about that English bloke who is manager of that little Swedish team that gave us a very big scare at the Emirates in the last 16 of this season Europa?
He's taken them from Sweden 4th division to 1st :-)
Seriously if we are looking for an educated punt then Sean Dyche has to be way way above Artetta and a lot of others mentioned.
Neither Arsene or Jose played top class football and someone somewhere has to have taken a punt on them before they became managerial superstars.
20 Apr 2018 10:23:00
Rejoice! Rejoice!
There is a Higher Power!
Hellelujah!
23 Jan 2018 07:42:53
Wow!
Mkhititaryan in. Potentially Aubameyang on the way. Lucas Moura being discussed seriously for the right wing.
I'd love it now if we go large and get Ryan Sessegnon and Sander Berge for DM and Aymeric Laporte as Centre Half and ship out the rest of those who are relentlessly ruminated on over here.
If all the above happened - and I just cannot believe that Wenger has the control he used to have, so it could - I'd not be so sad to say goodbye to Sanchez, Theo, The Ox, Coquelin and Olivier, Iwobi, Xhaka, Mertesecker, Ramsay, Cech, et al, much as I loved most of them - until Wenger ground the best out of them. Wouldn't cry in Wilshire left too, and maybe Ramsay.
All change please, all change! (including you Kroenke and Arsene) .
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20 Jun 2018 07:26:34
I won't "terribly miss" him at all.
He is and always was the Emporer's New Clothes. Sure he had some talent but he used it up about seven years ago in one decent Champions League game and has flattered to deceive, like so many of Arsenals "English spine" in the years since.
Just because he is "one of our own" doesn't make him a more special footballer. In fact, being "one of our own" and so patently failing to fulfill his potential, whether through mismanagement, poor health and fitness, or just an inability to take running with the ball quite close to his feet but rarely finding any end product with it, he has been a huge disappointment.
Southgate leaving him out was a no-brainer, and without meaning to be disrespectful to any other club, I'd have thought a promoted side maybe, such as Fulham, if they are so minded, or maybe a Championship club are best suited to his employment.
I don't feel too sorry for him. He has been handsomely rewarded financially, and will be set up for life with his next move, whoever is foolish enough to sign him for three years at £100,000+ per week, plus signing on fees. I can't help but wonder that if he had dedicated himself to looking after his body, he may have achieved more, but he's a symptom of the last ten years of relative under achievement - in no way the only one, nor necessarily the most glaring - but our Club is better off without him.
I wish him well in life and hope for his sake, he does perhaps go on to really develop and fulfill the potential he so obviously had. Arsenals' "loss" is Brentfords gain?
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11 Nov 2019 20:26:10
Hi 9114c. Signing in as my alter-ego because I can’t seem to login on the mobile site as my Cannon Max Farnham account, I sent a post in on Saturday that got posted on the “Discussion†page.
There I listed about eight alternatives to Emery.
Nagelsmann would be my first choice by a country mile, but frankly my 89 year old Mum would be better than Mourinho. He is an ugly character and I don’t want to win the League Cup at any cost. I doubt that Mourinho could even do that any more.
He is a spent force. Bullying doesn’t work any more.
20 Jun 2018 07:32:40
I simply couldn't agree more with Ed001's comments.
Wilshere was the Emperors New Clothes. He has had a privileged life and has abused it. He isn't talentless, but his sole skill was running with a ball at his feet, which he then rarely distributed intelligently or to significant effect.
Good luck to him at Brentford or Millwall.
21 May 2018 17:21:42
Dick has an excellent managerial record with a loss rate of less than 25% over 700+ games. That is pretty impressive as is his win rate of 53%.
I'm not pro or anti Arteta, although a limited-experience ex-player would have been Vieira if I had a vote - but anyone slighting Unai Emery for his record is a bit bonkers in my view.
He is at the level we can realistically expect, given our current status in footballing hierarchy (duck and cover) .
11 May 2018 11:00:23
I am a "Wenger naysayer". I am perfectly aware that absolutely no-one is "entitled" to success, Arsenal and Wenger no more or less than anyone. No club is, no matter their wealth, heritage, size of support, spangly training ground etc.
I have been in the "Wenger Out" camp for at least fours years; I had tears in my eyes and lump in my throat watching his farewell last week after the Burnley match. It's not that I don't appreciate his skill, his vision, his dedication, his obvious love for the Club.
I get all that, and yes, I am grateful for the three FA Cup wins, the almost endless Champions League participation (although I love that competition less and less: it should be for Champions only: bring back the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners' Cups) but for the last few seasons, surely it's unarguable that it's been like Groundhog Day with squad composition weaknesses not being addressed that were obvious to all, over-indulgence in players who just didn't deliver, regression in development in a host of players who have promised so much and in many cases gone elsewhere to deliver and the same inability to stop flattering to deceive when it comes to sustaining challenges in the League and Europe.
There is no denying that Wenger was, is and always will be a utter legend at Arsenal, but there is a skill and dignity in knowing when to let go and bluntly, it has been sad to hear some of the delusional drivel he has waffled post-match/ latest defeat in the last two years. He's still at it now, talking us up for next season!
Wenger = Legend. Yes
Overstayed by at minimum 2 years, arguably 5? Yes, too, in my 'umble opinion. But it's just that: an opinion.
Bergot Van Hoeff alias Max Farnham.
24 Nov 2017 14:24:21
I think we are being a bit disingenuous to Raver, sniffily pretending we are not jealous of what his club has achieved and indeed their participation in the Champions League itself. We were happy enough to bray about it when we were in it; just now we're not and suddenly it's of little or no consequence.
I'm no lover of Tottenham and Raver has managed to privately get under my skin on occassions, but his humble acknowledgment last week that his team didn't show up and ours did, gained a new found respect from me to him.
The REAL point is about the "champions league" itself for me. It is a deathly boring competition until it gets to the er, knockout stages, which to my mind is why the European Cup was so much better.
I'd love us to have a European Cup again: only then Champions of each of the 54 UEFA Member Associations of Europe should enter. because that's a tough number to accommodate I'd do this:
Take the Champions of the eight lowest lowest coefficient ranked countries, two mini-leagues of four, quick round robin, event, home and away, the winner of each group qualifies for the "First Round" proper. That leaves 48 Member Associates left.
The top 16 co-efficient clubs get a bye to round two. Using the National Coefficient has the knock-on effect of meaning that suddenly this has a meaning to the clubs too: the higher their national team is ranked, the better for the club: eradicates to a degree the "big" clubs players suddenly going down with dandruff or body-hair issues that currently mysteriously mean they are "unavailable" to play for their country in friendly internationals.
Clubs from countries ranked 17 - 46 (30 clubs) + the two winners of the pre-lim groups get thrown into a hat and drawn, home and away.
Resultant 16 winners join the previous clubs who had a bye into Round Two.
Thereafter a straightforward draw, play home and away, winner through to the next round, repeat.
Not rocket science, not radical, less dull games.
To win the competition the clubs from the top 16 still would have to play nine matches, which, as football is ruled by money and TV still seems a reasonable number of games: in today's Champions League they play a maximum of 13, so there would no doubt be horror at the prospect of losing four games' revenue. But let's face it, some of the group games today are just dull, predictable and meaningless. Yes, I know it means we'd be deprived of seeing Real Madrid v Barcelona; Manchester City against Manchester United; Cefn Druids v Gap Connahs Quay; Arsenal against Spurs in the last eight onwards, but that could happen elsewhere, if it so desired and the fates combined.
Like in a European Cup competition reserved for clubs who come close in their league (call it what you will, I don't know, lemme see now, what about "The UEFA Cup" or maybe "The Europa Cup") .
And while we're about it, have a European based competition for the winners of each domestic member affiliates "FA" Cup? Call it, er, "The European Cup Winners Cup"?
I think Arsenal were pitiful last night against Koln. Elneny, who I have previously valued at least as a squad player, should never, ever, ever, be allowed to take any kind of playing position that requires him to "cross the ball" if one of his opponents has the temerity to "get in the way".
If we're going to blood the kids, blood the kids, don't give hopeless has-beens or never-will-be fringe first teamers YET ANOTHER chance to show us how inadequate they are.
#WengerOOT!