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17 Aug 2019 23:51:58
VAR is quite bizarre, how can a goal be disallowed for accidentally hitting a forwards arm in the build up to a goal but a penalty can’t be awarded if it accidentally hits a defenders arm

Pure madness.

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18 Aug 2019 00:32:25
It's nuts mate, it's like prosecuting someone for shoplifting because a jellytot from the pickenmix got stuck to the bottom of their shoe without their knowledge.
They've got it badly wrong and it's when not if they admit it and sort it out, and of course how much damage is done and credibility lost in between.

18 Aug 2019 07:30:45
VAR is an aid to enforce the rule. The discussion has to be about whether an unintentional handball by the team attacking in the build up to a goal should be deemed an offence. According to the current rule, Man City's 3rd goal was correctly ruled out for handball under the current rules.

18 Aug 2019 08:57:19
If the stop a fgoal for accidental hand ball then they should give a pen for the sane thing.

18 Aug 2019 08:58:02
I know the rule mate but it wouldn’t have been deemed handball if it hit the defender

Ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - im with you bambam..

18 Aug 2019 09:08:40
Yes Var got it right the rule makers have got it very very wrong, let's see how you feel when it costs us RG, and it will at some stage.
My guess is you will be much less understanding and accepting of the rule.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely G62..

18 Aug 2019 09:30:19
VAR is good but for the sanity of everyone straighten the rule out and make it even for the attacking side also, if a defender is on the line and it accidentally strikes his arm deflecting for a corner and no penalty is awarded there would be uproar .

I also think VAR should have helped City with a penalty, I’m sure it will get there but currently many adjustments are needed.

{Ed025's Note - i could not agree more mate..

18 Aug 2019 09:36:39
It reminds me of the poll tax Ed025 mate :-)
Poorly thought throught and destined to be abandoned once the football authorities can think of a way out of their mistake without admitting they got it wrong in the first place.

18 Aug 2019 09:55:40
To clarify, VAR is not to blame, those that create the rules are to blame. VAR can be used to enforce and aid sensible laws. Maradonna’s hand of God goal would correctly have been ruled out with the use of VAR.

18 Aug 2019 10:18:18
To clarify x2 VAR missed a blatant penalty so with regards that it most certainly is to blame . I take your point about the handball but until they have the bottle to go against a refs decision then we will always be debating it and saying VAR isn’t being used as it should be.

18 Aug 2019 10:30:25
You could argue that VAR will pinpoint stupid rules because it doesn’t write the rules. The technology helps uphold the rules. Money on this rule changing before start of next season.

{Ed025's Note - well they have to do something SY, some will call it teething problems but i believe it will ruin the game myself mate..

18 Aug 2019 10:38:35
We have to allow a period of time to integrate VAR successfully into the game. It is clearly needed, as too many errors were occurring and the modern game is so fast and the players extremely devious, referees clearly needed its use.
The laws and the lawmakers are another topic. The handball rule, like the offside rule needs much thought. Perhaps it’s impossible to get these rules enforced correctly in all cases?

{Ed025's Note - they are trying to make it too clinical for me 911, half the fun was the unpredictability of a refs interpretation of the game mate..

18 Aug 2019 10:44:43
VAR assists in enforcing rules, but is only as good as the officials put in charge of it.
It is impossible to get every decision correct, but it’s use may reduce the errors.
In respect of the laws, I still believe handball has to be intentional and the offside rule was better before the modern interpretation evolved. I would also like to see the introduction of a sin bin.

{Ed025's Note - it sounds like you want it to turn into american football 911, i might be old fashioned but i liked it the way it was mate..

18 Aug 2019 10:55:49
Ed025- Fair comments and I am a traditionalist as well. However, sensible changes can improve the game. 3 points for a win, opposed the old 2 points. 3 substitutions, opposed to 1, etc.

{Ed025's Note - i get your points there 911 and i agree that they have improved the game, however the element of interpretation and human error will always be a factor in sport and thats one of the reasons its so fascinating for me mate..

18 Aug 2019 11:09:15
I agree Ed but if you were a M City fan you’d be wondering how you didn’t get a penalty at the other end, it’s also situations like that VAR should be used, or even bring in a captains appeal?

{Ed025's Note - its a tough one bambam, VAR seems to be creating more problems than its solving at the moment mate, hopefully that gets ironed out but its costing teams points at the moment and its so critical that errors like this could cost a team the title or get a team relegated in reality..

18 Aug 2019 11:25:03
Yup, we now generally seem to get the correct decisions, but the match day experience clearly suffers.
However, without VAR City would have won and that could make a huge difference at the end of the season. Particularly last season when the title and CL places were decided by so few points.
VAR needs refining and the laws amending. I understand and respect your point of view Ed. In time VAR will become the norm, as it is in many other sports.

{Ed025's Note - your probably right mate..

18 Aug 2019 11:39:30
Think VAR is going to kill spontaneity in football people will not instantly celebrate as expecting to have to await VAR checking every goal! Football not the only leisure activity being spoilt by technology . A local leisure centre is giving the lifeguard on the chair a screen to look at instead of the pool! You couldn’t make it up! Technology not always best COYG.

18 Aug 2019 12:04:22
Once you remove human compassion understanding and interpretation in exchange for black and white one size fits all rules the game is on its way downhill for sure.
What next robot players who always track their man and not team ever gave the ball away? Oh what fun that work be, a 0 0 infallible game where no one ever got anything wrong.
It's mistakes that make the best bits possible, has there ever been a goal scored anywhere where a push or shove or shirt pull wasn't involved in the build up somewhere?

Perfection?
You couldn't handle perfection:-)

18 Aug 2019 13:54:11
62 back in the 70’s and 80’s and decades before 1,000’s of goals were awarded when they shouldn’t be but since Sky and the god knows how many camera angles we now have I’m afraid decisions have to be correct, no longer can there be a shrug of the shoulders and say “ oh well we are only human “ never stop for perfection . why shouldn’t a ref come before the cameras and be held accountable.

18 Aug 2019 14:34:46
Terrible old business, the jelly tot analogy is good!

I once got prosecuted in curry’s because a 60inch plasma th got caught in my belt and I didn’t realise! 😂.

18 Aug 2019 15:09:43
It can happen 337 mate, I know:-)

Banbury perfection is unachievable no matter what you do which in my opinion is a good thing because there world be nothing to laugh joke talk about in a sterile would of non human error.

18 Aug 2019 17:03:49
Wrong choice or words

Look to better the imperfections how’s that sound.

18 Aug 2019 18:00:47
Personally I would use an assistant referee in the var room to interprete whether or not something was deliberate or not deliberate, a penalty or dive and advise the match ref of his opinion who should trust his colleague has had more time and better information than himself and back his colleague in the var rooms judgement.
You have to apply common sense rather than black and white blanket rules, littering in the town centre where I live results in an £80 fine and there are cctv cameras everywhere trying to spot people to fine but if someone drops something then picks it up then technically they have accidentally littered should they be fined £80?
To me once you forget common sense you lose public support and interest without which it's game over.







 

 

 
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