15 Jun 2016 10:16:00
Can someone please explain, why we appear only able to loan players who are clearly not returning to play at the club, such as Debuchy, Jenkinson and Szczesny, opposed to selling them?
15 Jun 2016 10:44:19
Jenkinson will probably stay at least for a season. Debuchy isn't exactly young so who wants him now.
15 Jun 2016 11:15:39
I'm not sure all those players will leave though mate!
I think Jenko will stay for another year as cover, as CS says.
Szczesny still has a future here, he's only 25 (I think) and Cech is 34, so we could still see Shezza as number 1 in the future!
Debuchy is, old, again as CS says and he's on a high wage for 'smaller' clubs, who'd be willing to take him.
15 Jun 2016 12:05:56
Jenkinson - Out injured until mid-nov. He was sent out on loan for the last 2 seasons. I do not believe we will see him play for the first team again.
Debuchy - At 30, is still a sought after RB, but he must have fallen out with Wenger, so I doubt he will be at the club next season
Szczesny - Still a very immature keeper. After his smoking incidents, I can't see him back at the club.
My question was, why do we loan out these players, instead of selling them?
15 Jun 2016 12:48:58
I believe that question was already answered. But in case you're interested, while Jenkinson was at west ham, we rejected an offer from them for jenkinson. Debuchy went to Bordeaux on loan. If he was sought after, he certainly wouldn't have gone there. And shezza, as D said, who knows what arsenes plan is for him? And cech's plans for that matter. For all we know cech could vs planning on retiring at the end of his current contract. Szcezsny can still be a fantastic goalkeeper.
15 Jun 2016 13:10:39
CS - I don't believe my question was answered. I asked, why we loan them out, instead of selling them?
In respect of Debuchy, I believe he want to a French club, as he is French and wanted to impress the French national manager, in order to try and get into the French Euro squad. Man U tried to sign him, quite rightly we refused let him join them. He is only 30, hardly past it. There were others after him, I seem to recall Roma were interested as well.
I don't recall an acceptable offer being put forward for Jenkinson and I can't see him being in Wenger's plans.
Szczesny may become a decent keeper when he matures mentally, but I cannot see him returning to Arsenal, whilst Wenger is manager.
The crux of the question is not whether these players have a future at Arsenal, as I don't believe they do. It is why are we unable to sell players, such as these three and have to loan them out.
15 Jun 2016 13:35:06
Because we see their future with us or other teams find the package undesirable. I believe that was strongly implied in the posts. Sorry if it was unclear. OK.
15 Jun 2016 14:14:41
Not sure where the OK came from at the end of my post?
15 Jun 2016 14:23:57
CS - Thanks for clarification. However, it makes little sense not to be able to sell Debuchy and Szczesny, who could surely be sold, as they have virtually no chance of returning to the club. Perhaps, the truth is that we gave these players long deals on high wages, which means the clubs that could afford their wages and a transfer fee, want superior players, whilst the clubs that took them on loan, could afford their wages, but not a transfer on top. Or they took advantage of Arsenal's weak negotiating, since Dein &Fiszman departed.
15 Jun 2016 13:38:59
They are all on more money than their abilty isn't worth to other teams who won't pay their wages, the players won't take a cut to move. So we are stuck with them because no one want to pay. If they did they would be sold.
15 Jun 2016 14:41:03
That is what I meant by 'undesirable package'. If debuchy for example has 2 years left of his contract and is on 80k, he's not going to leave for a contract worth less than that. We paid 10 million for him, what, 2 years ago. Who is going to pay a transfer fee of say 5 million, then match his wages on a 2 year or longer contract? Not many teams in France can afford that, or Spain or Italy for that matter.
I don't think it was poor negotiation on our part, as when we signed him he was a very good option. The problem was the emergence of Bellerin and debuchy not wanting to play second fiddle. Who'd have predicted Bellerins progress?
As for jenks, I rate him so we have differing opinions on that.
And shezza, like I said, who knows Wenger/ cechs plans. Or maybe its a similar situation to debuchy, ie high wages long contact.
15 Jun 2016 16:07:14
I know you meant that cs just put a different slant on it. Regards jenko firstly isn't he long term injured at mo, plus before he went to the hammers we gave him a payrise and in a different way the same applies to him. He is still in progression and not the finished article, ; so he would cost a large fee for sale and again for what he has done so far, not an attractive prospect to the teams he coukd move to.
15 Jun 2016 16:31:30
Sorry Steve I posted that before I saw your post. Was in reply to rg.