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15 Sep 2018 23:50:16
Having seen the highlights I have to say it's the best game I've seen Xhaka have, had a huge say in both goals and no costly mistakes, very decent free kick but not a worldie as I thought the keeper should have done better in reality.
To me he still looks very awkward when he runs at more than a jog (which isn't often ) and his tackling is as crude as ever on the rare occasion it happens but still his best game in 2 years 5 games,
IS it enough to justify his inclusion? It's obviously a huge improvement on anything before but needs to happen more often than once every two seasons and 4 games for Arsenal to be top 4 contenders again.


1.) 16 Sep 2018 02:07:00
Xhaka looks far better alongside Torreira, as he provides the platform for Xhaka to play as a deep, false number 10, where he provides a vital link between defence and attack with his quality passing. Alongside Guendouzi he tends to end up playing deeper as a DM, which doesn't suit his style of play. Guendouzi is a fine young player, but he reminds me so much of Elneny both physically and in the 'headless chicken' style of play.

2.) 16 Sep 2018 09:34:58
Vital? Really!
Vital means someone you can't do without and while it's obviously not all down to him alone but we haven't made top 4 since Xhaka arrived after 20 years of consecutive qualification before he arrived.
Sanchez was vital to us being our best during his time as was Kos until recently but calling Xhaka vital is an extreme exaggeration to say the least.
If he continues to play like yesterday he will become an asset but he's long way to go to become an asset let alone vital.

3.) 16 Sep 2018 13:53:17
Vital! Really, once in a blue moon isn't vital. We played Newcastle, didn't still look solid defensively in midfield and it wasnt even a top half prem team. Vital my hairy arm. The sooner he is ejected with a couple more, the sooner we might actually improve.

4.) 16 Sep 2018 15:37:15
This range of passing makes me laugh. He has one nice pass that’s the one over the top to the left winger, everyone has their opinion but for me he isn’t up to scratc for challenging for silverware.

5.) 16 Sep 2018 15:40:22
It's so obvious that the 'vital' refers to that role in this system! Discuss if you think this system is correct, the midfield balance needs adjusting, no problem. If we need a player to move the ball though periods of possession, then he is clearly the best option in the squad, and thus gets picked. Not the best player in the team or whatever, as its boringly obvious you two hate him. Otherwise we fill our team up with box to box players who do a bit of everything, I'm not clever enough to know if that's better, but I'll trust Emery on this. Maybe Xhaka flourishes as the season grows, maybe we use the transfer market to improve on him, maybe we change the system. Keep discussing football RG, I enjoy it, even if I rarely contribute!

{Ed025's Note - you should a bit more ned..

6.) 16 Sep 2018 16:31:51
I don't hate Xhaka Ned in fact I don't hate anyone at all, not rating someone or seeing them as an asset to the team is a long long way from hating them mate.

7.) 16 Sep 2018 17:00:41
Wow! Calm down ned. I for sure don’t hate him and I can speak for myself in saying that I wasn’t one of the ones who jumped on the xhaka kaka train from game 2. I simply don’t think he’s of the Caliber to have us challenging mate.

8.) 16 Sep 2018 18:01:34
I don't hate xhaka, i don't like him as a arsenal footballer (not anywhere near good enough) i want the best for arsenal. IF i think a player is letting us down and i 100% are not on my own hear, ask wright, merson, shearer, rednap, souness, nicolas, etc, then i have my opinion why. Since the guy has joined us, he has not cemented his place and made it his own on performance. I think 2 plus years of putting up with nothing performances is long enough. It is nothing personal, its something arsenal. I repeat, i know no top six team supporter who rates him at all, in fact they think he is one of the worsed midfielders in the prem and laugh about him.

9.) 16 Sep 2018 18:17:27
He’s certainly not one of the worse midfielders and I know you did t say that steve. But he is most certainly not trophy class imo.

10.) 16 Sep 2018 18:43:06
Agree sanos alter ego, Lol. Most of my mates who support other teams just don't rate him at all, they really think he's shat. I just don't think he's that good really, i want better than him in our team for us to progress. I am baffled why he seems somewhat bullet proof for us. I honestly think he is a fraud midfielder.

11.) 16 Sep 2018 18:46:54
And Sano, he is one player i cannot put up an argument for when they are lambasting him. I get picked on when i do, Lol.

12.) 17 Sep 2018 16:44:21
Why would I assume, or care, if you hate him as a person? You state in abundance you hate him in the team, I don't understand all the defencivness and confusion. I basically replied that you'd totally mis-represented the use of vital in RG's post, and I think you don't comment sensibly on why Xhaka continues to get in the team. I never stated that Xhaka is our star player, I don't think it's in dispute he's been underwhelming. I definitely think he can be better, but may also need replacing. Also that if we change the balance of the midfield with the players we have available, then we'll need to adapt in other areas of the pitch to be creative or control possession. I suspect our wide forwards are not suited to the task.

13.) 17 Sep 2018 18:40:32
Ned, i think i understand what vital means. Xhaka isn't vital.

14.) 18 Sep 2018 06:21:05
Xhaka, one of Emery's 5 captains and selected for all 5 PL matches to date.
I believe Xhaka was one of many players in the latter Wenger era that went backwards as a player after arriving at the club. He was played as a DM, not his position and looked poorer for it. Emery is a successful, intelligent and adaptable manager who will get the best out of Xhaka. In all the matches where Torreira and Xhaka played togther, the partnership has looked promising and I can see this pairing forming part of the spine of the team. They compliment each other, with the excellent Torreira providing shape to the team and giving Xhaka more freedom to move forward, between the defence and the attack.

15.) 18 Sep 2018 13:07:50
Well said gunner ned.



31 Jul 2018 09:26:39
Only tabloid gossip so nothing to serious but should it by any chance be true Aaron to Chelsea for 30 million?
I'd take it big time.


1.) 31 Jul 2018 11:59:25
I wouldn't. He's an important goal contributor from midfield and competing with Xhaka for a place should bring out the best of both. For a player like Ramsey, who's been consistently one of the better midfielders in the league, and counts as homegrown, we should be demanding 50 minimum. It's bonkers, but so is everything else now.

2.) 31 Jul 2018 15:10:56
How can be one of the most consistent when he isn't consistently available wire mate
If he was that good why ain't we fighting the opposition off with a stick for his signature?

3.) 31 Jul 2018 19:15:05
Wire - with a year left on his contract we not going to get anywhere near 50Mill for Ramsey 30Mill tops and that might be pushing it tbh. Ramsey is a bit of a oddity in our side as he is actually one of the few offensively that are better without the ball than with the ball making some really good runs in the box he is kind of what Lampard used to be like in that sense. Yes he is a decent player but we have better in Ozil for his preferred position and he is replacable without doubt with equal or better with targets we could get. Maybe it is not down to money so much maybe he is not keen on the demands of Emery, and misses the protection of father figure Wenger and if that is the case good riddance we need all of them 100% on board and behind the coach. Out with the old cosy club and in with the new.

4.) 31 Jul 2018 22:41:04
G62 consistent in that he's averaged 6 goals and 6 assists a season in the league for the last 5 years. His return from deeper midfield is fairly steady. See what you mean on the contract situation though.

5.) 01 Aug 2018 12:28:08
Fair point Wire mate but with the lack of interest in Aaron from others so far 30 million might be ambitious.
Ox had both Liverpool and Chelsea chasing him last season but so far Aaron has no one very excited about signing him.
Just wondering what we see in Aaron Liverpool city Chelsea and Spurs don't see.



22 Jul 2018 18:29:27
Just searched Arsenal rumours and we are either about to give Iwobi a new contract or Lazio are looking to sign him.
Difficult to either is true.
Poor old Danny Welbeck seems the only player who we aren't prepared to offer a new deal, Iwobi Xhaka Chambers have all struggled and performed below Danny's level for us yet get new deals while Danny who is hardly a world beater but has done much better than the other 3 seems no longer required.


1.) 22 Jul 2018 23:01:59
Chambers? I thought he did well the end of the season.

2.) 23 Jul 2018 07:01:01
I hope the lazio rumours are true. how he kept getting in the team was one of last season's great mysteries!

3.) 23 Jul 2018 09:38:34
Excited about the Iwobi deal, gives us a player that doesn't stink of Wenger too much but has the morals of the club, ticks a couple of boxes there! He's been on and off but can develop into a zaha kind of a player. If not the actual potential but the kind of things he does on the pitch, stay wide AND cut inside-Emery loves, can cross and press, I think that is what Emery would want/ can get out of him. Looking forward to watching the BIG17 grow under UE. What do you guys think?

4.) 23 Jul 2018 11:55:02
Total waste of space, needs to be shipped out, i'm sure we have a younger player with more talent waiting to come through.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 16:20:32
If Iwobi Stays then i am not happy with Emery one bit he is by far the worst Arsenal winger I’ve seen in a long time.

6.) 23 Jul 2018 23:26:26
Although it was against a beach ball and flip flop wearing Burnley playing deeper Iwobi actually looked better than awful, if he was to have any future at Arsenal it's not out on the wing where the linesman is more involved then Iwobi 99 games out of 98.

7.) 24 Jul 2018 00:04:30
To be fair iwobi looked a decent player at first but stagnated like many. I think we really should give the lad another season or maybe a loan. Always seemed like there's potential there for me. Funny tho a lot of other fans at my work think he looks a decent player.



28 May 2018 17:05:09
Papawhatever Greek lad is about to join us according to Ornstein and the bbc main page.
Not 100% certainty but as close as it gets to being one in the world of footie rumours.


1.) 29 May 2018 20:45:42

{Ed025's Note - i can but only if you reply to the original post SY..

2.) 29 May 2018 21:11:56

{Ed025's Note - it never showed on that thread so must have already been deleted mate..



19 May 2018 10:00:38
According to David Ornstein the feeling within Arsenal amongst the staff is that Artetta is going to be our next manager but Ornstein himself says Allgeri is still very much in the running and is still very doable.





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16 Mar 2019 21:56:25
Only watched the first half of tge Wolves v United game but thought Connor Coady looked very good in the centre of the Wolves defence.
Very comfortable with the ball and read the game well from what little I saw.


1.) 16 Mar 2019 23:07:14
They are a very good team.

2.) 16 Mar 2019 23:23:00
To be honest mate they were all excellent and played some fabulous football. Nuno is making a name for himself but I hope he sticks with Wolves for a while yet.

United on the other hand are just so poor, they have to be the worst team of the top six by a fair margin.

Like us on our earlier unbeaten run they have also been winging it and getting away with poor performances but the squad as a whole is as par as for me.

Swansea were unlucky today on another note, they played some great football in that first half.

3.) 17 Mar 2019 08:55:46
Wolves do look very very good and like a team and club on the verge of a golden period by their own standards, I agree Stoner I hope thier manager goes the distance with them and builds on the brilliant foundations he has already laid.
I know as a club the ambition is a top 4 finish eventually and whether they actually achieve that huge target or not only time will tell but it will be interesting watching them try if they all stick together.



13 Mar 2019 22:13:32
Liverpool and Manchester city both showing in Europe why they are where they are in the premier league and United and Spurs doing excellent too.
All 4 premier league teams in the last 8 is this an English revival as a champions league force?


1.) 13 Mar 2019 22:21:29
It’s great for the PL that we have 4 teams in the last 8, no doubt UEFA will come up with some sort of ban, once Brexit is decided :)

2.) 13 Mar 2019 23:22:03
Shall we see if one wins it first, there are better managers in the prem now but the number one is pep.

3.) 13 Mar 2019 23:53:12
The last premier league team to win the champions league title had a caretaker manager Steve :-)
Ole Ole oy oy :-)
Plus Jurgen is no stranger to the final himself and Liverpool have a fantastic European cup champions league record
While Pep and Barcelona did amazing things together.
Poch and Spurs? I guess there is a first time for everything :-)

As for Brexit Banbury mate all we need to do is send Fergie instead of Theresa May, he will definitely get us an extention :-)

4.) 14 Mar 2019 07:55:16
In our quest for a top 4 spot, I am sure that having to play at least 2 more CL matches will hinder Man U and the Toot.

5.) 14 Mar 2019 10:12:55
It's strange it used to always be seen as it was the Europa league and playing on Thursday that hindered your premier league campaign but now suddenly it's the champions league where the problem is!
What's changed?
Other than us of corse and which competition we are currently in?

6.) 14 Mar 2019 11:47:56
Playing additional European mid-week games clearly doesn't help performances in the domestic league and of course in general playing in the CL against superior teams is clearly more difficult.

7.) 14 Mar 2019 12:41:05
Of course the champions league has more quality teams whicb is why it's the most prestigious club trophy in football but we will need to field our strongest 11 tonight if we hope to just stay in the Europa league no matter how inferior it is, 90 minutes in the europa equals 90 minutes in the champions league in terms of potential injury etc.
Tuesday Saturday/ Sunday and even Wednesday Saturday/ Sunday in the champions league is far better than 100% Thursday 100% Sunday in the Europa.
But at the end of the day there is very little difference champions league and Europa league participation that will make a significant difference to the top 4 teams other than us getting illuminated tonight whicb would give us at least 2 less games than Chelsea United and Spurs to play.
In my opinion if we deserve top 4 after 38 games we'll get it and if we don't then we won't and the same goes for all 3 other teams too.

8.) 14 Mar 2019 12:51:13
It is as difficult for us as mush as for out rivals. It can be even affects us more as we seem not to make it easy for us. that's right they play better teams but we seem to struggle against the so called lesser teams.
If there something can helps us in the run in is the fact our rivals they still have to play each other but we need to take full advantage of that and not drop silly points.

9.) 14 Mar 2019 13:34:48
Over 38 league games the most deserving 2 teams of the 4 will finish 3rd and 4th no what excuses the two clubs and fans that miss out offer.
It's reality.



10 Mar 2019 16:04:52
Love the 3 up top that gets our best forward 3 on the pitch at the same time
I think the wing backs and 3 at the back are spot on given the availabile options
But Xhaka and Ramsey in the middle? That's a worry
Obviously I hope I'm eating my words about Xhaka and Ramsey at the final whilstle but that's a scary pairing for me.


1.) 10 Mar 2019 19:00:27
2-0 g62 excellent result, can't pick fault with any player Niles, ozil and kolasinac where brilliant.

Eat them words.

2.) 10 Mar 2019 19:07:41
Duely and happily eaten MgM mate :-)

3.) 10 Mar 2019 20:38:27
Mine too, we did really well . Same again on Thursday please.



09 Mar 2019 22:16:52
Really disappointed to read Darren Moore has been sacked by WBA, they are in play off places and I thought he'd done a decent job there too.


1.) 10 Mar 2019 03:17:24
Hope they miss out on playoffs and end up mid-table next season. It's what they deserve for this. Shocking. Baggies fans I know are fuming because they remember how gloomy the mood around the club was before he stepped in.

2.) 10 Mar 2019 08:35:35
Yeah he took over a sinking ship and turned everything around in double quick time and last season almost kept them up with exactly the same players who had struggled all season before he took over.
What did the board expect this season to walk the championship?
I thought he did a really good job fur them mate.

3.) 10 Mar 2019 14:54:35
Totally agree I thought that he was doing a decent job. Getting in the Playoffs in the championship is a hard achievement. What is that now 2 non white managers in all 4 divisions? To give West brom their dues they did give him an opportunity, which is more than most clubs do and maybe they would argue they would of sacked any manager and so were holding him to the same standards. But opportunities for non white managers do seem insanely hard to come by there's disgraceful representation considering the proportion of non white players must be over 25%. Not just a problem here though I read an article that there was only 1 black manager out of all 32 teams at the world cup! Brazil was startling, 47% of their population being black they've never had a black manager at a world cup, despite most of their greatest players being black!



06 Mar 2019 22:20:47
Not to take anything away from United who pulled off an absolutely fantastic result in Paris with an extremely patched up team but?

Is everyone still screaming for VAR after the United penalty v PSG :-)
Would we accept losing like that on Sunday, with good grace?
I'm in favour of VAR but it won't make fans on the receiving end of a
Contenscios decision feel any less agreeved than if the ref alone gave the decision.


1.) 07 Mar 2019 06:28:27
Didn't see it, so can't comment but didn't the ref look at a replay and give it. So it isn't VAR that made the decision as i understand, it was the referee of the game.

2.) 07 Mar 2019 08:02:20
Yes Steve your right mate, what I should have said was will people fell less agreeved after VAR than with with a refs instant decision if they still don't agree with it? Ultimately I think we will get less bad decisions which has to be a good thing but I don't think it will stop disappointed fans from being upset with decisions that go against their team.

3.) 07 Mar 2019 10:23:43
Knowing what an upstanding and honest guy Neymar is I’m totally in agreement with him that it wasn’t a penalty and the ball actually struck the defenders back. 😂.

4.) 07 Mar 2019 10:37:36
Absolutely Stoner, I'm not sure why uafa don't let Neymar be a player/ ref :-) he's already player manager in all but name.

5.) 07 Mar 2019 14:17:26
And the one against Madrid on Tuesday and for them in the first leg. I hoped VAR would get rid of contentious decisions, but seems we're still going to get them. Although I was impressed the ref gave ajax the goal, I wonder if he ever refs for uefa again.

6.) 07 Mar 2019 15:11:48
I think, especially in Europe, you will always get bias refs towards certain teams. But bit by bit that also will get less and less. The strange thing was, initially i believe the ref didn't give it, it was flagged up by VAR and he looked at the incident and changed his mind. It would be interesting to see how many more CL games he refs in.

7.) 07 Mar 2019 15:42:12
I think eventually VAR will become much simpler faster and accurate but no matter how good it gets its always going to upset one set of fans who only want decisions that go there teams way be them right or wrong, if VAR favours their team one week they will love it but if it goes against their team the next week they will be critical of it.
Ultimately only neutral fans want right decisions all the time :-)




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19 Mar 2019 20:57:08
I don't understand how it all works behind the scenes but to me it seems we had the right man in Sven but after attracting him in the first place we failed to give him what he needed to do his job properly.




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18 Mar 2019 07:55:50
Such a shame things went wrong with Sven.




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13 Mar 2019 20:41:26
Clubs have to change the way players see running their contract down, if a player doesn't play regularly for 2 seasons he will struggle to find a club to match his current salary let alone double it.
Summer 2017 Man city were ready to pay 60 million and improve Sanchez wages but now in winter 2019 and Alexis would struggle to get Leicester City interested enough to pay 16 million and Match his Arsenal wages.
Football moves quickly and players who are hot prospects now can quickly get forgotten once out of the limelight.




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13 Mar 2019 08:18:21
I think it's both very sensible and very workable.
All it means is you start negotiations on a contract extention with 3 years remaining and if with 2 years left you have no agreement you listen to offers.
It works for all other clubs so why not us? Which other club loses players on free or is held to ransom like Arsenal have been and have done?
It's incredible how many players like Theo Jack Mesut have won contracts well beyond thier football ability simply by playing the club well in the contract stakes and what other club loses so many players for nothing?
Would Aaron have accepted 2 seasons like this season where he is a bit part player? I think he and others would leave earlier for a fee rather than see out 2 years on the bench which would lessen thier options at the end of the two years.




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26 Feb 2019 09:25:28
No disrespect to anyone of our other youngsters but Guendouzi isn't Arsenal produced and it shows, he's young he's quite raw and full of enthusiasm and passion.
He reminds me more of Petit than anyone in that respect.
He will run through a brick wall for the team but also has real talent to match all that enthusiasm.
Footballing ability is only half the package needed to make to the very top and if you haven't got the heart the desire the passion to go with the ability you will always be talked of as potential, like Theo always was.





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20 Apr 2019 20:50:45
Luckily Steve we have you to educate us :-) It's all opinion mate and not everyone is simply happy to have a different manager at the helm, some want more than simply a different man on the sidelines.




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19 Apr 2019 19:45:47
The champions league place is real prize Eden mate and the competition itself is still very much the champions league B league edition that it's always been that's why all big clubs and fans of Arsenal Chelsea City United Spurs and Liverpool all desperately hope to avoid being in it each season.

It's always nice to get a trophy but once champions league football is secured for next season the Europa league will suddenly be downgraded by the club who have successfully avoided being in it next season.




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20 Apr 2019 19:25:36
That's been the Arsenal fans problem for years SY, lower our expectations for first Arsene and now Dick to be able to meet them.
8 seasons running we were happy to simply make up the numbers in the champions league because it made us feel superior despite our inability to reach a single quater final in those 8 seasons.
Leicester Chelsea United City Liverpool and Spurs have all been in champions league quater finals that Arsene simply couldn't achieve and under Dick lots of teams below us are much more defensively effect than Arsenal are, do we make the same mistake with Dick we made with Arsene?
The reality is we are a big club and we should be able to reach champions league quater finals occasionally at least and we should be as defensively capable as most other big teams too.
If we want a more competitive future we need more competitive expectations of our manager regardless of his name or his past record here at Arsenal or elsewhere.
Yesterday is history and the future is a mystery that none of us know but right here right now we are defensively much less than we could or should be.




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20 Apr 2019 12:10:54
I agree with that Moe we need to give him time and next season will in my opinion be his defining season where he wins doubters over or loses those who have already bought into him hook line and sinker.
As for the stats which ones do you quote? The most wins or the most games without a clean sheet?
In my opinion stats are way other valued as a tool and seldom reflect the reality of a situation.




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20 Apr 2019 10:31:18
Tottenham have caused the big boys of both the premier league and Europe's elite clubs to take them seriously under Poch and that's something I've not witnessed in my 46 years of watching football.
While Klopp has taken Liverpool to a champions league final and a semi final (and counting) plus will join a very very small group of elite top flight managers who have been able to accumulate 90 plus points in a single season.
Yet not a community shield or league cup between the two of them, which I can only assume keeps them awake at night:-)
How much was Levy asking in compensation for Poch if United wanted him?
Just imagine what the price would have been with a community shield under his belt ;-)