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15 Sep 2018 23:50:16
Having seen the highlights I have to say it's the best game I've seen Xhaka have, had a huge say in both goals and no costly mistakes, very decent free kick but not a worldie as I thought the keeper should have done better in reality.
To me he still looks very awkward when he runs at more than a jog (which isn't often ) and his tackling is as crude as ever on the rare occasion it happens but still his best game in 2 years 5 games,
IS it enough to justify his inclusion? It's obviously a huge improvement on anything before but needs to happen more often than once every two seasons and 4 games for Arsenal to be top 4 contenders again.


1.) 16 Sep 2018 02:07:00
Xhaka looks far better alongside Torreira, as he provides the platform for Xhaka to play as a deep, false number 10, where he provides a vital link between defence and attack with his quality passing. Alongside Guendouzi he tends to end up playing deeper as a DM, which doesn't suit his style of play. Guendouzi is a fine young player, but he reminds me so much of Elneny both physically and in the 'headless chicken' style of play.

2.) 16 Sep 2018 09:34:58
Vital? Really!
Vital means someone you can't do without and while it's obviously not all down to him alone but we haven't made top 4 since Xhaka arrived after 20 years of consecutive qualification before he arrived.
Sanchez was vital to us being our best during his time as was Kos until recently but calling Xhaka vital is an extreme exaggeration to say the least.
If he continues to play like yesterday he will become an asset but he's long way to go to become an asset let alone vital.

3.) 16 Sep 2018 13:53:17
Vital! Really, once in a blue moon isn't vital. We played Newcastle, didn't still look solid defensively in midfield and it wasnt even a top half prem team. Vital my hairy arm. The sooner he is ejected with a couple more, the sooner we might actually improve.

4.) 16 Sep 2018 15:37:15
This range of passing makes me laugh. He has one nice pass that’s the one over the top to the left winger, everyone has their opinion but for me he isn’t up to scratc for challenging for silverware.

5.) 16 Sep 2018 15:40:22
It's so obvious that the 'vital' refers to that role in this system! Discuss if you think this system is correct, the midfield balance needs adjusting, no problem. If we need a player to move the ball though periods of possession, then he is clearly the best option in the squad, and thus gets picked. Not the best player in the team or whatever, as its boringly obvious you two hate him. Otherwise we fill our team up with box to box players who do a bit of everything, I'm not clever enough to know if that's better, but I'll trust Emery on this. Maybe Xhaka flourishes as the season grows, maybe we use the transfer market to improve on him, maybe we change the system. Keep discussing football RG, I enjoy it, even if I rarely contribute!

{Ed025's Note - you should a bit more ned..

6.) 16 Sep 2018 16:31:51
I don't hate Xhaka Ned in fact I don't hate anyone at all, not rating someone or seeing them as an asset to the team is a long long way from hating them mate.

7.) 16 Sep 2018 17:00:41
Wow! Calm down ned. I for sure don’t hate him and I can speak for myself in saying that I wasn’t one of the ones who jumped on the xhaka kaka train from game 2. I simply don’t think he’s of the Caliber to have us challenging mate.

8.) 16 Sep 2018 18:01:34
I don't hate xhaka, i don't like him as a arsenal footballer (not anywhere near good enough) i want the best for arsenal. IF i think a player is letting us down and i 100% are not on my own hear, ask wright, merson, shearer, rednap, souness, nicolas, etc, then i have my opinion why. Since the guy has joined us, he has not cemented his place and made it his own on performance. I think 2 plus years of putting up with nothing performances is long enough. It is nothing personal, its something arsenal. I repeat, i know no top six team supporter who rates him at all, in fact they think he is one of the worsed midfielders in the prem and laugh about him.

9.) 16 Sep 2018 18:17:27
He’s certainly not one of the worse midfielders and I know you did t say that steve. But he is most certainly not trophy class imo.

10.) 16 Sep 2018 18:43:06
Agree sanos alter ego, Lol. Most of my mates who support other teams just don't rate him at all, they really think he's shat. I just don't think he's that good really, i want better than him in our team for us to progress. I am baffled why he seems somewhat bullet proof for us. I honestly think he is a fraud midfielder.

11.) 16 Sep 2018 18:46:54
And Sano, he is one player i cannot put up an argument for when they are lambasting him. I get picked on when i do, Lol.

12.) 17 Sep 2018 16:44:21
Why would I assume, or care, if you hate him as a person? You state in abundance you hate him in the team, I don't understand all the defencivness and confusion. I basically replied that you'd totally mis-represented the use of vital in RG's post, and I think you don't comment sensibly on why Xhaka continues to get in the team. I never stated that Xhaka is our star player, I don't think it's in dispute he's been underwhelming. I definitely think he can be better, but may also need replacing. Also that if we change the balance of the midfield with the players we have available, then we'll need to adapt in other areas of the pitch to be creative or control possession. I suspect our wide forwards are not suited to the task.

13.) 17 Sep 2018 18:40:32
Ned, i think i understand what vital means. Xhaka isn't vital.

14.) 18 Sep 2018 06:21:05
Xhaka, one of Emery's 5 captains and selected for all 5 PL matches to date.
I believe Xhaka was one of many players in the latter Wenger era that went backwards as a player after arriving at the club. He was played as a DM, not his position and looked poorer for it. Emery is a successful, intelligent and adaptable manager who will get the best out of Xhaka. In all the matches where Torreira and Xhaka played togther, the partnership has looked promising and I can see this pairing forming part of the spine of the team. They compliment each other, with the excellent Torreira providing shape to the team and giving Xhaka more freedom to move forward, between the defence and the attack.

15.) 18 Sep 2018 13:07:50
Well said gunner ned.



31 Jul 2018 09:26:39
Only tabloid gossip so nothing to serious but should it by any chance be true Aaron to Chelsea for 30 million?
I'd take it big time.


1.) 31 Jul 2018 11:59:25
I wouldn't. He's an important goal contributor from midfield and competing with Xhaka for a place should bring out the best of both. For a player like Ramsey, who's been consistently one of the better midfielders in the league, and counts as homegrown, we should be demanding 50 minimum. It's bonkers, but so is everything else now.

2.) 31 Jul 2018 15:10:56
How can be one of the most consistent when he isn't consistently available wire mate
If he was that good why ain't we fighting the opposition off with a stick for his signature?

3.) 31 Jul 2018 19:15:05
Wire - with a year left on his contract we not going to get anywhere near 50Mill for Ramsey 30Mill tops and that might be pushing it tbh. Ramsey is a bit of a oddity in our side as he is actually one of the few offensively that are better without the ball than with the ball making some really good runs in the box he is kind of what Lampard used to be like in that sense. Yes he is a decent player but we have better in Ozil for his preferred position and he is replacable without doubt with equal or better with targets we could get. Maybe it is not down to money so much maybe he is not keen on the demands of Emery, and misses the protection of father figure Wenger and if that is the case good riddance we need all of them 100% on board and behind the coach. Out with the old cosy club and in with the new.

4.) 31 Jul 2018 22:41:04
G62 consistent in that he's averaged 6 goals and 6 assists a season in the league for the last 5 years. His return from deeper midfield is fairly steady. See what you mean on the contract situation though.

5.) 01 Aug 2018 12:28:08
Fair point Wire mate but with the lack of interest in Aaron from others so far 30 million might be ambitious.
Ox had both Liverpool and Chelsea chasing him last season but so far Aaron has no one very excited about signing him.
Just wondering what we see in Aaron Liverpool city Chelsea and Spurs don't see.



22 Jul 2018 18:29:27
Just searched Arsenal rumours and we are either about to give Iwobi a new contract or Lazio are looking to sign him.
Difficult to either is true.
Poor old Danny Welbeck seems the only player who we aren't prepared to offer a new deal, Iwobi Xhaka Chambers have all struggled and performed below Danny's level for us yet get new deals while Danny who is hardly a world beater but has done much better than the other 3 seems no longer required.


1.) 22 Jul 2018 23:01:59
Chambers? I thought he did well the end of the season.

2.) 23 Jul 2018 07:01:01
I hope the lazio rumours are true. how he kept getting in the team was one of last season's great mysteries!

3.) 23 Jul 2018 09:38:34
Excited about the Iwobi deal, gives us a player that doesn't stink of Wenger too much but has the morals of the club, ticks a couple of boxes there! He's been on and off but can develop into a zaha kind of a player. If not the actual potential but the kind of things he does on the pitch, stay wide AND cut inside-Emery loves, can cross and press, I think that is what Emery would want/ can get out of him. Looking forward to watching the BIG17 grow under UE. What do you guys think?

4.) 23 Jul 2018 11:55:02
Total waste of space, needs to be shipped out, i'm sure we have a younger player with more talent waiting to come through.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 16:20:32
If Iwobi Stays then i am not happy with Emery one bit he is by far the worst Arsenal winger I’ve seen in a long time.

6.) 23 Jul 2018 23:26:26
Although it was against a beach ball and flip flop wearing Burnley playing deeper Iwobi actually looked better than awful, if he was to have any future at Arsenal it's not out on the wing where the linesman is more involved then Iwobi 99 games out of 98.

7.) 24 Jul 2018 00:04:30
To be fair iwobi looked a decent player at first but stagnated like many. I think we really should give the lad another season or maybe a loan. Always seemed like there's potential there for me. Funny tho a lot of other fans at my work think he looks a decent player.



28 May 2018 17:05:09
Papawhatever Greek lad is about to join us according to Ornstein and the bbc main page.
Not 100% certainty but as close as it gets to being one in the world of footie rumours.


1.) 29 May 2018 20:45:42

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2.) 29 May 2018 21:11:56

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19 May 2018 10:00:38
According to David Ornstein the feeling within Arsenal amongst the staff is that Artetta is going to be our next manager but Ornstein himself says Allgeri is still very much in the running and is still very doable.





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23 Sep 2018 15:39:13
Torreira starts :-) so for better or for worse this now Dicks preferred 11.


1.) 23 Sep 2018 16:11:43
Bellerin’s going to see himself out of the starting XI very soon. He’s far too much of a liability on defence.

2.) 23 Sep 2018 16:41:45
I just don't see that Q, I think Hector is asked to be a very attacking full back but he also puts in a shift at the back when humanly possible for him to do so which is difficult in a yoyo end to end game.

3.) 23 Sep 2018 16:50:58
While we have bellerin, xhaka, ramsey and ozil in a team together we will always look open.



22 Sep 2018 20:58:58
Fantastic start by Liverpool in fact it's impossible for them to have done better, big questions are about to be asked of them from Chelsea twice Napoli and of course City too.
Get through that little lot unscathed and suddenly they will replace City as the team for everyone to beat.
People talk about how Klopp hasn't won anything but would a league cup or fa cup winners medal really make what he's done at Liverpool anymore impressive?
For me it's 10 out 10 for Jurgen from his first 3 years at Liverpool and just to top it all he's also a first class bloke too.


1.) 22 Sep 2018 21:14:53
Got to win a trophy, no trophy, no good. Ultimately that's what makes the job a success, no trophy and questions will always be asked and the tennure soon forgotten. The museum won't survive on results, it has to have a bit of silverware.

2.) 22 Sep 2018 22:17:11
I think Wigan would swap there fantastic fa cup achievement for a bit of what Jurgen is giving Liverpool now Steve mate, I know I would swap our 3 fa cup wins in 4 seasons for the 3 seasons Jurgens already given plus what's possibly yet to come.
If cups were the answer we wouldn't have just had a change management mate.

3.) 22 Sep 2018 22:43:25
Klopp has to win a trophy as well as challenging, just challenging won't be good enough for too long. It his time now and he will only be remembered for how many trophies he wins. He has to do both to keep his job.

4.) 22 Sep 2018 22:52:11
With all due respect gunner wigan are not Liverpool and if a top team doesn't only challenge and win trophies, the manager comes under pressure from both the press and the fan base if not. We won trophies and ultimately didn't challenge, wengers gone. Poch doing a sterling job at toots, the first season he finishes outside the top four and doesn't win a trophy, it will be night night.

5.) 23 Sep 2018 04:12:27
Excellent start by Liverpool, but it's early days and Klopp's legacy will be decided by trophies in the cabinet or a lack of them, particularly having spent heavily during his time at the club.

6.) 23 Sep 2018 04:22:21
Steven I agree with your Pochettino comment and this season it will be extremely difficult to secure a top four spot, with expectations rising at the Toot. I can't see them winning the CL and securing a top four spot will be tricky this season, with Man C, LIverpool and Chelsea all looking strong. At this early stage fourth spot looks a fight between us, Man U and Toot. Having failed to sign any players during the last window and with a heavy schedule I can't see Toot prioritising the domestic cups, With a change of home venue happenning at some time this season, players unsettled due to lower wages than those paid at other top four contenders, I can envisiage them finishing outside the top four and at the end of the season he will have been at the club 5 seasons, and fans can be fickle.

7.) 23 Sep 2018 09:23:01
I wonder if you oford Newcastle fans 3 more seasons under what Keegan gave them but no trophies or 3 seasons under Rafa Pardew or Sharear but with a league cup win thrown in the middle somewhere which they'd take?
US Arsenal fans the last 4 seasons and 3 fa cups under Arsene part two or 4 seasons of watching Arsene part one with Bergkamp Henry Viera and co but runners up only in league and cups and no trophies which we'd take?
Football is an entertainment business and we don't all look back at the trophy and how it glemeed that day it was handed over we look back at the fantastic way we were entertained with fabulous sexy football played with style by truly fantastic players none of us will ever forget.

8.) 23 Sep 2018 12:07:46
G62 - We must consider ourselves fortunate to have had an awesome first decade under Wenger, with a fabulous team to watch, pus trophies. The second decade was harder, blue we still won 3 FA Cups, 3 Community Shields, plays qualification for CL in all, bar the final 2 seasons. Compare that to LIverpool and the toot who barely win a thing between them over the last decade. The difficult during the second half of Wenger's reign was having to ay for the new stadium, whilst financially doped clubs such as Man C and Chelsea came into the equation. Our main competitors in the fist decade was really only Man U.

9.) 23 Sep 2018 13:51:48
When i'm sat in my rocking chair drinking my horlicks, i often look back and reminisce about the trophies i won at football and now golf. I never think about the ones i missed out on, there's nothing like picking up a trophy.

10.) 23 Sep 2018 14:36:36
It's strange because I've no idea where my medals are now days but I still think about the games sometimes, not just winning ones but ones I enjoyed or funny bits that happend during games.
There are no medals for fans at the end of a season only monuments and memories and I'm sure the Newcastle fans remember the non winning times under keegan more fondly than United fans do Jose Europa and league cup winning season.
38 games of entertainment v a season of frustration and dispoiontment with only a winning cup run 5 games to brighten up the dismal season that was endured by all.

11.) 23 Sep 2018 15:33:43
Gunner the reason Newcastle fans might do that is because they don't do winning trophies, they aren't a Liverpool or an Arsenal. Liverpool will expect trophies, Newcastle can only dream.



18 Sep 2018 20:58:36
Micheal Carrick and James Milner were both good enough to play at top level premier league clubs almost entirely through out thier careers but never good enough for regular inclusion in England squads let alone teams.
It seems the no fuss ever dependable players always get overlooked by everyone but the managers with who they compete at the highest level under year after year.


1.) 19 Sep 2018 05:01:41
Milner 61 England caps
Carrick 34 England caps

I can agree that Carrick could possibly have made more appearances. However, you would have to look into which players were selected ahead him, how many times he missed out due to injury, etc. He also had the likes of Gerrard and Lampard as rivals for a central midfield spot in the national team, although the pair didn't compliment each other it would have taken a brave manager to select Carrick ahead of them.

In respect of Milner I believe 61 caps is decent haul for a hardworking player. Again you would have to look into who was selected ahead of him and how many times he missed out die to injury. He is 32 years of age, which amazed me, as he seems to have been around forever. I can't recall ever thinking, why he wasn't playing for England when not selected.

2.) 19 Sep 2018 07:36:53
Personally I always thought how come he's good enough to be City's only English players and not England and also why Carrick was Fergies trusted ever present with who he won titles galore and competed in champions league finals but couldn't win a regular spot in the squad yet alone starting 11 for England.
Two very under rated very high achieving players in my opinion.



17 Sep 2018 20:09:31
What a great story about Kante spending Saturday evening at an Arsenal fans house after missing his Euro star train to Paris.
Together with some of the fans friends they shared a curry played fifa and watched motd.
What a brilliant day a group of Arsenal and Liverpool fans will never forget.


1.) 17 Sep 2018 20:33:09
Not seen the story but it sounds good. He had a lucky escape, it could have been raver, then the story would have been different.

2.) 18 Sep 2018 08:48:27
Don't be ridiculous Steve! Raver's mum doesn't allow him to have sleepovers.

3.) 18 Sep 2018 11:51:19
Whatever happened ro Raver61?
Perhaps the pain at the lane just got to him?

4.) 18 Sep 2018 15:35:26
Rumour has it he’s banned from stringfellows and hasn’t been seen since.



12 Sep 2018 08:33:27
Apparently lots of premier league clubs are inflating their attendance figures with even City not being able to play to a full house last season despite having the best premier league season ever.
Is this the first signs of beginning of the premier league bubble busting?
If so what in your opinion is the reason, high ticket prices, over exposure on TV or are people simply struggling in general financially and football is simply a victim of household cost cutting measures?


{Ed001's Note - it is not true. The attendance figures are the tickets sold, as they always have been. Nothing inflated. There is an issue with people who buy season tickets then can't go and can no longer pass them on to friends or family like used to be done.}

1.) 12 Sep 2018 08:52:12
Fair comment Ed001 but some of the percentages of non attendance are quite high so is it simply a case of season ticket holders either not being able to afford the travel costs on a regular basis or simply people picking and chosing thier games? Or maybe it's the corporate seats that are not being used.
What ever the reason attendances are much lower than ticket sales upto 25% in West Hams case and even 13% in City's, that's a high percentage of people suddenly becoming busy elsewhere.

{Ed001's Note - I would say it is a bit of everything but the whole issue is being made more of a problem because of the measures in place to stop resale.}

2.) 12 Sep 2018 11:30:07
Ah that would certainly have a huge impact on attendance figures, If only those who own the tickets can usee them easily and passing them on fairly easily isn't possible it makes more sense of the empty seats.
60,000 seats take some filling every week and if your relying on the same 60,000 people to attend every game then obviously 75% attendance isn't as unexpected or a fair guide as it first appeared.

{Ed001's Note - I should have explained more clearly what I meant the first time. It is those measures that are causing the issue. I remember I shared my season ticket with my uncles. The one whose ticket it was actually worked at Anfield as a matchday entertainer when he was at home or would be in a box with people from the club, so never actually needed it. However he didn't want to give it up, it was next to his childhood best mate and they are impossible to get again if you do need one. So his brother and myself would share it. My other uncle could only get to one or two games a year, so I would pretty much have a free season ticket to every home game, with the only ID I needed to show being the season book itself. However nowadays that can no longer be done easily. It has become a process to go through, as the ID has to match with the buyer and the person going through the gate! If you don't know for sure you aren't going to be able to go until the last minute, that ticket just goes to waste. At least that is how it was explained to me by a commercial director last season. They have official resale partners that you can flog them through, but the process of just handing them off to friends or family when you can't make it is not as simple as the old days sadly.}

3.) 12 Sep 2018 12:35:04
I don’t understand the situation at Liverpool but I don’t actually have a season ticket but the three people I know who do have give it to me when one of the three can’t go and I usually get to go about 80% of the time and have never had a problem. I just scan the card at the turnstiles and walk in. I could just be missing the point. Sorry I’m advance if I haven’t read correctly.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know what it is like now at Liverpool, it was another club that told me they have to produce documentation when a card is sold on. He did tell me that the others would be going that way as well though.}

4.) 12 Sep 2018 12:41:43
What a shame that tickets go to waste when people want them.
I know clubs don't like the idea of fans trading tickets through other sources other than themselves as obviously there is decent money to be made in being the supply and demand middle man especially if you have a monopoly on the market.
I called Arsenal ticket office once about some tickets that a courier had delived to a wrong adress, to say they were unsympathetic is an understatement:-) they simply told me they didn't encourage season tickets being loaned unless it was through them, obviously at a higher price to cover their overheads of course:-)

{Ed001's Note - and that is the issue is that they all partnering up with companies to earn some extra money on resale.}

5.) 12 Sep 2018 12:44:11
Oh god I hope not.

{Ed001's Note - as g62 mentioned, it is the extra money they can make that is changing things. They pretend it is about keeping touts and protecting against terrorism etc but the issue is money. They want a cut of the touts market.}

6.) 12 Sep 2018 15:24:15
I have used a mates season ticket before at the Emirates, it’s just a credit card and once I scanned it to get in I gave it back to him through the turnstile.

As a red member I get tickets and they obviously just activate my membership card for that game.

They also have the ticket exchange on the Arsenal website where you can buy someone’s ticket whose not going and again they activate your card for that match.




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24 Sep 2018 18:52:46
Chelsea were runaway champions 2 seasons ago so they only needed a slight change of direction to get them back on track while we haven't challenged for 14 years so obviously it's a major rebuilding job with us.
Anyone hoping for beautiful football and a title challenge to boot this season is only fooling themselves.
We've not been competive for years and our footballing attractiveness has been in dramatic decline for the last 3 or 4 years too.




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24 Sep 2018 08:03:28
Brilliant post Moe mate.




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19 Sep 2018 13:52:35
That's not a nice way to talk about your wife crybaby and I'm not sure Mesut would be right happy with that arrangement either mate, have you tried wellies swappers anonymous they might be able to help you :-)




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17 Sep 2018 22:27:17
I don't really understand what he does or doesn't do or whether he's done a good or bad Job at Arsenal but what I do know is he wasn't very popular until the rumours of him leaving surfaced and suddenly people stated worrying about him going.
I remember he was blamed for our lack of signings for a long time.




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17 Sep 2018 22:17:44
Your not alone there crybaby, I think all non Arsenal fans would take that not just you mate.





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24 Sep 2018 17:19:23
True Steve but my point was really we are currently winning what on paper should be winnable games rather than drawing or losing those games, obviously we will slip up somewhere at some stage but if we can be dominant in the games we should be dominant 8/ 10 times and pull off 1 in 3 pleasant surprises too then we have a chance of making top 4 which would be excellent in Dicks first season. The odds are obviously still against us because I think Chelsea City and Liverpool will definitely make up 3 of the top 4 so it's 2/ 1 against us getting the other spot.
I'd make United slight favourites for that other place with us and Spurs 50/ 50 due to their lack of investment and having so many players carrying a world cup hangover.




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24 Sep 2018 14:56:06
So far we have lost the two everyone expected us to lose and won the 4 in which we were favorites.
So by that calculation we could lose home and away to Liverpool Chelsea City United and even Spurs and still get 84 points and top 3 finish.
It's been a while since we achieved to our capabilities in the league and so far that's exactly what we are doing, no more admittedly but very pleasingly no less and that's got to be progress in anyone's book.




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24 Sep 2018 13:51:07
Totally agree again Ryan, seems madness to me to turn a top striker Pea or Lacasette into a below par winger, yes they might pop the odd goal in from playing out wide but in the long run I think you lose more than you gain.
Rather than try and make the wrong players fit your preferred system adapt the system to get the best out of what you've got, and in Lacasette and Pea we have two top quality strikers.




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24 Sep 2018 12:04:05
Totally agree Ryan Ozil Miki Aaron in the same team is like doing a weekly shop that consists of champagne chocolate and custard only, all look very appealing on paper but come midweek your going to run out of steam without some dependable sustenance.
Keep the champagne because let's face it we all like a bit of champers in our life's but ration the chocolate for when the champagne isn't available and ditch the over rated custard completely.




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24 Sep 2018 09:23:01
You've done this sort of thing before haven't you JPS :-)
Don't forget emphusia commitment and most importantly passion :-)