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15 Sep 2018 23:50:16
Having seen the highlights I have to say it's the best game I've seen Xhaka have, had a huge say in both goals and no costly mistakes, very decent free kick but not a worldie as I thought the keeper should have done better in reality.
To me he still looks very awkward when he runs at more than a jog (which isn't often ) and his tackling is as crude as ever on the rare occasion it happens but still his best game in 2 years 5 games,
IS it enough to justify his inclusion? It's obviously a huge improvement on anything before but needs to happen more often than once every two seasons and 4 games for Arsenal to be top 4 contenders again.


1.) 16 Sep 2018 02:07:00
Xhaka looks far better alongside Torreira, as he provides the platform for Xhaka to play as a deep, false number 10, where he provides a vital link between defence and attack with his quality passing. Alongside Guendouzi he tends to end up playing deeper as a DM, which doesn't suit his style of play. Guendouzi is a fine young player, but he reminds me so much of Elneny both physically and in the 'headless chicken' style of play.

2.) 16 Sep 2018 09:34:58
Vital? Really!
Vital means someone you can't do without and while it's obviously not all down to him alone but we haven't made top 4 since Xhaka arrived after 20 years of consecutive qualification before he arrived.
Sanchez was vital to us being our best during his time as was Kos until recently but calling Xhaka vital is an extreme exaggeration to say the least.
If he continues to play like yesterday he will become an asset but he's long way to go to become an asset let alone vital.

3.) 16 Sep 2018 13:53:17
Vital! Really, once in a blue moon isn't vital. We played Newcastle, didn't still look solid defensively in midfield and it wasnt even a top half prem team. Vital my hairy arm. The sooner he is ejected with a couple more, the sooner we might actually improve.

4.) 16 Sep 2018 15:37:15
This range of passing makes me laugh. He has one nice pass that’s the one over the top to the left winger, everyone has their opinion but for me he isn’t up to scratc for challenging for silverware.

5.) 16 Sep 2018 15:40:22
It's so obvious that the 'vital' refers to that role in this system! Discuss if you think this system is correct, the midfield balance needs adjusting, no problem. If we need a player to move the ball though periods of possession, then he is clearly the best option in the squad, and thus gets picked. Not the best player in the team or whatever, as its boringly obvious you two hate him. Otherwise we fill our team up with box to box players who do a bit of everything, I'm not clever enough to know if that's better, but I'll trust Emery on this. Maybe Xhaka flourishes as the season grows, maybe we use the transfer market to improve on him, maybe we change the system. Keep discussing football RG, I enjoy it, even if I rarely contribute!

{Ed025's Note - you should a bit more ned..

6.) 16 Sep 2018 16:31:51
I don't hate Xhaka Ned in fact I don't hate anyone at all, not rating someone or seeing them as an asset to the team is a long long way from hating them mate.

7.) 16 Sep 2018 17:00:41
Wow! Calm down ned. I for sure don’t hate him and I can speak for myself in saying that I wasn’t one of the ones who jumped on the xhaka kaka train from game 2. I simply don’t think he’s of the Caliber to have us challenging mate.

8.) 16 Sep 2018 18:01:34
I don't hate xhaka, i don't like him as a arsenal footballer (not anywhere near good enough) i want the best for arsenal. IF i think a player is letting us down and i 100% are not on my own hear, ask wright, merson, shearer, rednap, souness, nicolas, etc, then i have my opinion why. Since the guy has joined us, he has not cemented his place and made it his own on performance. I think 2 plus years of putting up with nothing performances is long enough. It is nothing personal, its something arsenal. I repeat, i know no top six team supporter who rates him at all, in fact they think he is one of the worsed midfielders in the prem and laugh about him.

9.) 16 Sep 2018 18:17:27
He’s certainly not one of the worse midfielders and I know you did t say that steve. But he is most certainly not trophy class imo.

10.) 16 Sep 2018 18:43:06
Agree sanos alter ego, Lol. Most of my mates who support other teams just don't rate him at all, they really think he's shat. I just don't think he's that good really, i want better than him in our team for us to progress. I am baffled why he seems somewhat bullet proof for us. I honestly think he is a fraud midfielder.

11.) 16 Sep 2018 18:46:54
And Sano, he is one player i cannot put up an argument for when they are lambasting him. I get picked on when i do, Lol.

12.) 17 Sep 2018 16:44:21
Why would I assume, or care, if you hate him as a person? You state in abundance you hate him in the team, I don't understand all the defencivness and confusion. I basically replied that you'd totally mis-represented the use of vital in RG's post, and I think you don't comment sensibly on why Xhaka continues to get in the team. I never stated that Xhaka is our star player, I don't think it's in dispute he's been underwhelming. I definitely think he can be better, but may also need replacing. Also that if we change the balance of the midfield with the players we have available, then we'll need to adapt in other areas of the pitch to be creative or control possession. I suspect our wide forwards are not suited to the task.

13.) 17 Sep 2018 18:40:32
Ned, i think i understand what vital means. Xhaka isn't vital.

14.) 18 Sep 2018 06:21:05
Xhaka, one of Emery's 5 captains and selected for all 5 PL matches to date.
I believe Xhaka was one of many players in the latter Wenger era that went backwards as a player after arriving at the club. He was played as a DM, not his position and looked poorer for it. Emery is a successful, intelligent and adaptable manager who will get the best out of Xhaka. In all the matches where Torreira and Xhaka played togther, the partnership has looked promising and I can see this pairing forming part of the spine of the team. They compliment each other, with the excellent Torreira providing shape to the team and giving Xhaka more freedom to move forward, between the defence and the attack.

15.) 18 Sep 2018 13:07:50
Well said gunner ned.



31 Jul 2018 09:26:39
Only tabloid gossip so nothing to serious but should it by any chance be true Aaron to Chelsea for 30 million?
I'd take it big time.


1.) 31 Jul 2018 11:59:25
I wouldn't. He's an important goal contributor from midfield and competing with Xhaka for a place should bring out the best of both. For a player like Ramsey, who's been consistently one of the better midfielders in the league, and counts as homegrown, we should be demanding 50 minimum. It's bonkers, but so is everything else now.

2.) 31 Jul 2018 15:10:56
How can be one of the most consistent when he isn't consistently available wire mate
If he was that good why ain't we fighting the opposition off with a stick for his signature?

3.) 31 Jul 2018 19:15:05
Wire - with a year left on his contract we not going to get anywhere near 50Mill for Ramsey 30Mill tops and that might be pushing it tbh. Ramsey is a bit of a oddity in our side as he is actually one of the few offensively that are better without the ball than with the ball making some really good runs in the box he is kind of what Lampard used to be like in that sense. Yes he is a decent player but we have better in Ozil for his preferred position and he is replacable without doubt with equal or better with targets we could get. Maybe it is not down to money so much maybe he is not keen on the demands of Emery, and misses the protection of father figure Wenger and if that is the case good riddance we need all of them 100% on board and behind the coach. Out with the old cosy club and in with the new.

4.) 31 Jul 2018 22:41:04
G62 consistent in that he's averaged 6 goals and 6 assists a season in the league for the last 5 years. His return from deeper midfield is fairly steady. See what you mean on the contract situation though.

5.) 01 Aug 2018 12:28:08
Fair point Wire mate but with the lack of interest in Aaron from others so far 30 million might be ambitious.
Ox had both Liverpool and Chelsea chasing him last season but so far Aaron has no one very excited about signing him.
Just wondering what we see in Aaron Liverpool city Chelsea and Spurs don't see.



22 Jul 2018 18:29:27
Just searched Arsenal rumours and we are either about to give Iwobi a new contract or Lazio are looking to sign him.
Difficult to either is true.
Poor old Danny Welbeck seems the only player who we aren't prepared to offer a new deal, Iwobi Xhaka Chambers have all struggled and performed below Danny's level for us yet get new deals while Danny who is hardly a world beater but has done much better than the other 3 seems no longer required.


1.) 22 Jul 2018 23:01:59
Chambers? I thought he did well the end of the season.

2.) 23 Jul 2018 07:01:01
I hope the lazio rumours are true. how he kept getting in the team was one of last season's great mysteries!

3.) 23 Jul 2018 09:38:34
Excited about the Iwobi deal, gives us a player that doesn't stink of Wenger too much but has the morals of the club, ticks a couple of boxes there! He's been on and off but can develop into a zaha kind of a player. If not the actual potential but the kind of things he does on the pitch, stay wide AND cut inside-Emery loves, can cross and press, I think that is what Emery would want/ can get out of him. Looking forward to watching the BIG17 grow under UE. What do you guys think?

4.) 23 Jul 2018 11:55:02
Total waste of space, needs to be shipped out, i'm sure we have a younger player with more talent waiting to come through.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 16:20:32
If Iwobi Stays then i am not happy with Emery one bit he is by far the worst Arsenal winger I’ve seen in a long time.

6.) 23 Jul 2018 23:26:26
Although it was against a beach ball and flip flop wearing Burnley playing deeper Iwobi actually looked better than awful, if he was to have any future at Arsenal it's not out on the wing where the linesman is more involved then Iwobi 99 games out of 98.

7.) 24 Jul 2018 00:04:30
To be fair iwobi looked a decent player at first but stagnated like many. I think we really should give the lad another season or maybe a loan. Always seemed like there's potential there for me. Funny tho a lot of other fans at my work think he looks a decent player.



28 May 2018 17:05:09
Papawhatever Greek lad is about to join us according to Ornstein and the bbc main page.
Not 100% certainty but as close as it gets to being one in the world of footie rumours.


1.) 29 May 2018 20:45:42

{Ed025's Note - i can but only if you reply to the original post SY..

2.) 29 May 2018 21:11:56

{Ed025's Note - it never showed on that thread so must have already been deleted mate..



19 May 2018 10:00:38
According to David Ornstein the feeling within Arsenal amongst the staff is that Artetta is going to be our next manager but Ornstein himself says Allgeri is still very much in the running and is still very doable.





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19 Jan 2019 10:08:38
When we signed Lich and Papa last summer it looked like Dick was going for a now fix along side building for the future with Leno Torreira and Guendouzi.
If we weren't looking to make instant improvements this season but plan more long term why bring in Papa and Lich rather than younger players who might progress with the team.
I'm a bit confused by what Dick is trying to do as it initially looked like he came in saw the need for immediate defensive improvement but then simply got side tracked by trying to implement his long term goals on how we should play immediately.


1.) 19 Jan 2019 11:37:11
62, I am sure you gave me grief for a similar statement at the start of the season. We need a revolution built on youth and as long as they play and develop over time into challengers then I am happy. Happy coming 8th with a plan than 6th with an aging directionless team with no future. I’m not having a dig but rather a chuckle and glad that this topic is being discussed as it really needs to be discussed. Pretty sure I got a bit of grief about building the defence around Holding as he’s too young. The irony is - I don’t care about this season and next as long as we have a plan that has light at the end of the tunnel. This has no plan except an aging squad so we never complete the puzzle. Pull the bandaid off and be brave Emery or suffer the consequences.
I understand the Holding comment if we want Top 4 but we aren’t good enough plus don’t have the funds. So build on youth. Building a team on old players that were good at cheap prices reminds me of teams in the bottom half of the table signing big names for low fees. Like Sours with that Germsn diver many years ago 😂😂😂
Let’s get through this season and make wholesale changes in personnel and players.
I think I could get top 6 with the team we have and don’t think the defence would be any worse with me st the helm. Emery was meant to bring energy, attention to detail, new ideas, tactics, defending etc etc. He’s done very little to improve us in defence except remove creativity in attack as an option. Wenger did that at the end of one season and the goals dried up - that’s not clever or tactics. That’s being negative and I don’t want that from our manager or side. That’s not clever or tactical - that’s just putting more defenders in the team. Wise up Emery and get a god damn plan
This next window is key for me: no change = no patience. Until then I will still air my opinion but be civil and respectful. Change also means backroom staff.

2.) 19 Jan 2019 12:05:51
Hi SY mate you are totally right mate I did give you grief for a similar statement at the start of the season and oops I was wrong, soz mate :-)
I agree Dick might as well be brave because as he is he's heading for chopsvile south dekota by the end of next season for certain, he simply won't get a decade of no improvement that Arsene enjoyed in fact if this time next year there isn't clear signs of progress he will be lucky to do two seasons.
Despite what Steve thinks simply standing still and not going backwards isn't the new 4th place trophy:-)
Be brave Dick it's the only thing you won't regret mate.

3.) 19 Jan 2019 12:50:48
And that’s why I love the site and the people on it. I was 100% wrong about Xhaka and Sokratis being slow plus supporting Wenger too long. You all helped challenge my thoughts in a great way. Some were right and most of mine were wrong but it’s the banter that’s fun! We all love Arsenal and debating with likeminded Eds and readers! COYG 🏆🏆.

4.) 19 Jan 2019 14:09:23
No gunner, don't put words in my mouth, i said the first thing Dick has to do is stop the slide, get us stable and then progress. That isn't happening over night, if you don't want a short term fix. At the moment we are in transition, we may go down a bitxwe may level out or we may improve but i don't expect any proper change for a while yet. I have had to put up with 5 years of decline, i'm sure i can give Dick at least one season before i start throwing bottles, lighters and empty fag packets at Dick.

5.) 19 Jan 2019 16:48:51
I think Sokratis was brought in to add experience and as for litch, we can only presume he was bought to add a RB to the team, we had no real cover for Bellerin and he was a free option. I agree sy we need a plan that will hopefully come after a full season in charge, i'm hoping Emery knows where to go in the summer. COYG 3 points today!

6.) 19 Jan 2019 17:02:55
I was only kidding Steve mate :-)
Bang on SY it's not all about being right about everything it's all about sharing our opinions enjoying the site and people on it. I think we are all being happy to be wrong when things go better than wr predict and disappointed when we get it right in a negative way.
Come on the Arsenal and come on Dick win back the doubters like me :-)



09 Jan 2019 22:03:53
So City have a commanding lead in the first leg but the tie isn't over yet, 9-0 deficits have been turned around before.




09 Jan 2019 18:28:54
Davud from work has had his i'd stolen and is now answering to the name of Dav.


1.) 09 Jan 2019 19:18:56
Would have been hilarious if not for the typo me ord mate 😂.

2.) 09 Jan 2019 19:47:49
I think my Internet provider must have sabotaged it mate :-) I checked it before I sent it too :- (
Never mind, it will be funny for anyone who you pass it on too mate :-)

3.) 09 Jan 2019 23:39:22
Lol gunner that typo.

4.) 09 Jan 2019 23:43:29
2 boys here in cork were reading a catalogue one day, they say a few nice girls and one said to the other I'm ordering one of them nice ladies so am I said the other fella,
A few weeks later the two boys met up, did your lady show up yet one asked, no but it shouldn't be long more now, her clothes came yesterday, 😀😀.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 08:01:04
Top of the morning to you 12 mate, yes I could have been a very successful novelist but all my thrillers turned into stories about people who make flour and all my love stories turned into stories about people with cold hands:- (
Thanks for your story about male order:-)



05 Jan 2019 23:26:38
Villanelle (killing Eve) v Alice (Luther) head to head, who wins?


1.) 06 Jan 2019 00:57:39
I have a serious crush on both of them. I get the feeling that I'm attracted to absolute weirdos!

And by head to head, do you mean a fight? If so, definitely Villanelle.

2.) 06 Jan 2019 09:32:16
On the fight side I think it would probably be on a highlander scale battle that would last 1000 years because both seem pretty indestructible Sharpie mate.
In the hotness stakes it's Villanelle all day long for me, I think by the end of the series virtually every man and most women in the country had the serious crush on Villanelle, hot hot hot or what!

3.) 06 Jan 2019 09:36:38
Thought this season of Luther was like our defence - tired, lacked energy and overall left me disappointed. Looking forward to Silent Witness.

4.) 06 Jan 2019 09:51:09
I agree on the series SY mate but it's always good to see Alice mate.
The beeb could do worse than bring both characters together for a brand new series of " Even Killing Luther " :-)

5.) 06 Jan 2019 13:14:02
Emilia Fox should take their particulars down and put some cuff on them.

6.) 06 Jan 2019 17:01:45
This is too much SY! I let the voting Tory, Drinkig wine and enjoying nights out to the ballet go but Emilia Fox! You can't compare Emilia Fox to Villanelle mate! You Just can't! :-)

7.) 06 Jan 2019 17:24:07
You should watch banshee, some badass attractive woman in that! You've got a Russian mobsters daughter, a runaway amish girl turned gangster (she's the best) a machete wielding native American and a cop.

8.) 06 Jan 2019 17:44:51
Tell me more Eden, you have my full attention mate :-)

9.) 06 Jan 2019 15:14:18
Oh no g62 I’ve not got round to this seasons luther. I guess that’s a bit of a plot foil. Can’t we do a spoiler alert 😂.

10.) 06 Jan 2019 18:18:03
It's about an ex con who pretends to be a cop to get close to his ex (the Russian) but she doesn't want him around because her dad wants to kill him for stealing from him, then they get into heists with a transvestite cyber criminal and an ex boxer. All sounds wild and far fetched! 😂 But definitely worth watching mate, I think it's brilliant! Loads of action.

11.) 06 Jan 2019 18:48:05
Sorry Sano I hadn't realised Yorkshire telly was that far behind the rest of the country mate, your going to hate what happens in brookside mate :-)

12.) 06 Jan 2019 19:58:44
Is it in colour yet up north?

13.) 06 Jan 2019 21:06:38
Don’t spoil it I’m watching Trevor joredache now 😂.

14.) 06 Jan 2019 21:28:06
It is in colour sy4. That’s why use Yorkshire men marry so the woman can hold the aerial still, whilst passing me a cold one from the fridge.



26 Dec 2018 19:18:17
Work in progress unquestionably with a lot of work to be done.
There is definitely improvement in attitude and effort because I think in recent years we'd have lost that game simply through being out fought.
Only beating Liverpool (I know) will keep us in touch with the top 4 pack this season.





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18 Jan 2019 20:22:00
We had one in Sanchez cold mate but unfortunately he joined and left a little to soon.
If we still had Sanchez to play behind Pea and Lacasette and in front of Torreira and Guendouzi things would look a lot brighter.




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16 Jan 2019 16:21:09
Very true CB but I can see how he'd possibly be upset with no money at all being available in the January window, it's got to be frustrating to plan for months spot targets and see them go elsewhere but in my opinion that doesn't have to mean he's ready to walk.
I don't know about the Edu situation and maybe there is some truth in it but it wouldn't be unusual for a journalist to put 0 and 0 together and come up with a story that earns them lots of £s.
The problem is there are so many false stories now days it's getting impossible to take any but a select few journalist seriously about anything they report, which is a shame for the few remaining good ones.




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16 Jan 2019 13:46:11
From what Ormstien says there is frustration from Sven over lack of money to buy his targets but there is no fall out between the back room staff.
Imagine if every time some one became frustrated it meant they were about to throw the towel in, new marriages would be over within a day, new jobs would be quit within an hour and all supermarket shopping would be abandoned half way round the store at the first sign of anything going up in price or being out of stock.
Really does sound like gossiping neighbours over hearing part of a conversation and telling the whole street their opinion as fact.




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16 Jan 2019 08:18:22
Let's wait and see Punnai mate, I never bought the Artetta story and I'm not buying this one because it simply looks so much like trouble stiring from top to bottom.
If every one was buzzing and we were top of the league wed be getting Mbappe stories but because we've hit a lull stiring up more concern is the easiest way for the journalist to make a lazy crust.




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16 Jan 2019 08:08:20
Emery makes the comment that we won't buy this window and the media make mischief, their job is to get hits and it's in our best interests to remember the media simply can't afford for there to be no news for an hour let alone a day or a week.
How would sky fill their 24 hour rolling news if they had to stay within the boundaries of the truth.
Rob Holding is injured and Theo Walcott has left Arsenal stories get 00 viewers or readers.





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19 Jan 2019 17:48:19
Jerry Corbyn would do or even Dianne Abbot at a push but why always always Xhaka no matter what, it's a mystery that needs explaining.




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19 Jan 2019 17:32:58
I'd prefer 3 4 3 SY but that includes Mustafi who is less awful than Xhaka but still full of mistakes.




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19 Jan 2019 17:30:34
If the side has to include Xhaka that's as good as it gets but personally I'd swap Xhaka for Maitland Niles.


{Ed0333's Note - I’d swap Therese May for Xhaka



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19 Jan 2019 17:02:55
I was only kidding Steve mate :-)
Bang on SY it's not all about being right about everything it's all about sharing our opinions enjoying the site and people on it. I think we are all being happy to be wrong when things go better than wr predict and disappointed when we get it right in a negative way.
Come on the Arsenal and come on Dick win back the doubters like me :-)




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19 Jan 2019 12:05:51
Hi SY mate you are totally right mate I did give you grief for a similar statement at the start of the season and oops I was wrong, soz mate :-)
I agree Dick might as well be brave because as he is he's heading for chopsvile south dekota by the end of next season for certain, he simply won't get a decade of no improvement that Arsene enjoyed in fact if this time next year there isn't clear signs of progress he will be lucky to do two seasons.
Despite what Steve thinks simply standing still and not going backwards isn't the new 4th place trophy:-)
Be brave Dick it's the only thing you won't regret mate.