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18 Jun 2021 10:00:27
Last year we tried to sell players before bringing in new ones (Partey last day etc. ) but this year it would appear that we have got the go ahead to buy in new player first and deal with outgoings as they happen. We have got a lot of players to potentially move on such as;


leno (12m)
Bellerin (15m)
Kolasinac (3m)
Mavropanos (7m)
Saliba or Holding - if Ben White comes (15m)
Xhaka (18m)
Torreira (13m)
Guendouzi (13m)
Maitland Niles (15m)
Willock (18m)
Willian (Free)
Nelson (12m)
Nketiah (12m)

Potential Sales = approx 150m

It looks like we would then buy / need to buy

Ajax Keeper (8m)
Back up Keeper (12m)
Right Back (35m)
Ben White (50m)
Lokonga to replace Ceballos (15m)
Another more experienced Mid to replace Xhaka (35m)
No 10 like Madisson (50m)

Potential Incomings = 200m

If things go well for Edu it looks like we could turn the squad around by outlaying roughly 50m to
70m (spend 200m and get back 150m)

BUT it is a very risky approach given how conservative Arsenal normally are . Are we seeing a new way of thinking at Arsenal? Similar to the David dein days where we'd just go any sign Overmars and Petit in one go?

tommurphy

1.) 18 Jun 2021 10:28:55
Do you play Football Manager by anychance?


2.) 18 Jun 2021 10:47:10
I don’t think it will be that easy to sell all of those players. But I do think there will be a few outgoings and incomings. It will be interesting to see where we are at by the start of the season.


3.) 18 Jun 2021 15:21:36
Just seen a "rumour" the board will ok a £250m war chest! got to love rumours haha.


4.) 18 Jun 2021 16:30:28
Fun post, of the names listed, I think the following will go:

Bellerin (15m)
Kolasinac (3m)
Mavropanos (7m)
Xhaka (15m)
Torreira (released)
Guendouzi (13m)
Maitland Niles (15m)
Willian (Free)

So that's about 70M.


5.) 19 Jun 2021 00:29:33
We also need a back up lb.


6.) 19 Jun 2021 01:32:16
If he does play, he's shocking at negotiating hahahaha.


 

 

24 May 2021 08:57:44
Time for a big clear out and replacement with some quality players. It suits us that we don't have Europe as we don't need quantity and can go for quality instead.

To me we need to sell the following
Bellerin (20m)
Willock (20m)
Lacazette (15m)
M. Niles (15m)
Nketiah (15m)
Guendouzi (15m)
Torriera (15m)
Willian (Free)
TOTAL - 110m

Purchase for the following;

Back up keeper (10m)
RB like Max Aarons (40m)
Mid like Bissouma (40m)
No 10 Odegard / Buendia (40m)
Back up winger (30m)
TOTAL - 160M

This gives us the following;

Leno and new back up

Max aarons and Chambers
Holding and Saliba
Gabriel and Mari
Tierney and Cedric

Partey and Elneny
Bissouma and Xhaka

Saka and new winger
Buindia and ESR
Pepe and Martinelli

Pierre and Balagan

Further back up Nelson and academy players. This really is where we are at - we don't need a big squad this year.

tommurphy

1.) 24 May 2021 14:50:18
Good one Tom.


2.) 24 May 2021 18:17:54
Add a better back LB to that list.


3.) 24 May 2021 19:43:50
Why would we sell Willock?
He’s proved he is good enough, way better than Ceballos, scored more than Odegaard, Smith-Rowe and Saka put together and I love all of them I hasten to add (well, the latter two anyway) so why seek him?
Nuts!


4.) 24 May 2021 20:47:07
Prices never work like that mate. I'd leave the finances out of the equation.

Also do you think we would need another non African Central Mid for when the Africa Cup of Nations starts? To lose Party/ Bissouma and Elneny would be very hard over a month. Not to mention potentially Pepe and Auba too.


5.) 24 May 2021 20:59:32
Nicely laid out and squad

For me -

Like to upgrade Leno if possible

Tierney and Cedric - need a better option than Cedric

Replace Granit with the Sheffield Utd type player - Granit is too error prone and not sharp enough. Looks great against teams that don’t put him under pressure

Keep Willock as goals win games

Forgot about ACN - sell Elneny and keep AMN as good squad player

Sell Cedric

Think we still lack a Vieira or Adams or Sol type of leader - that’s going to be critical

I’m on the fence with PEA - if he doesn’t fit with Mikels vision then we are in trouble with no Laca.


6.) 25 May 2021 00:55:38
What do we need another winger for? Saka, ESR, Pépé, Auba, Gabi all play on the wings often.


 

 

03 Oct 2020 12:30:12
I'm not knocking Arteta here. I actually admire the fact that he has taken on some difficult attitudes (Mesut, Guendouzi etc) along with some bang average players (Elneny, Sokratis, Kolasinic) and come up with a system to at least get the best out of what we have.

I will however be disappointed in him if he has been spinning us bull in an effort to protect the owners and board.

Only 2.5 days left so let's see what happens but to be honest I think we'll be luck if we get one of Auaur or Partey. Players like Jorginho aren't really going to propel us to the next level.

Squeeky bum time!

tommurphy

1.) 03 Oct 2020 13:00:59
If chelsea get partey abd we get jorginho shows how bad our club is.


2.) 03 Oct 2020 15:02:02
I do not think Arteta will protect stan kroenke and this board. He strikes me as an ambitious guy. i do not see him throwing a fuss but see him leaving at the end of his contract-to greener pastures. arteta will probably join city to replace pep.


3.) 03 Oct 2020 17:07:34
Last summer we signed Pepe Luis Ceballos Martinelli and Tierney and everyone was buzzing with the big debate on this page being whether 4th place would be good enough from Emery given our new squad strength, yet we struggled to get top 8 in the end.

Since 2013 we've signed loads of players from Ozil to Gabriel and 100s of millions worth of talent in between but we've not improved in the slightest in those 7 seasons. Let's wait and see what happens between now and the start of November at the very least before throwing in the towel on this season completely.


4.) 03 Oct 2020 18:37:47
Completely agree G62. We all would love to find a solution to the midfield and who knows we might do. But we have to accept that we need to move players on unfortunately the players we want to move are all on high wages and the clubs that want them are not in a position to pay those kinds of wages. So we can either try and get our preferred option or spend for the sake of spending and end up with an average player - which we have done far too often.

That does mean Arteta will have to bring Ozil and Geuendozi out of the cold if we can’t sign who we want. Not ideal but it’s a test of his managerial ability and he will have to rise to that.

{Ed047's Note - Guendouzi, Ozil, Mustafi and Chambers all training with the 1st team today, only Torriera missing that I could see, Saliba was out there too.


5.) 03 Oct 2020 19:18:52
That’s interesting Ed. If we don’t sign anyone, do you reckon Arteta will give Ozil and Guendouzi another chance? I don’t think he has any other option.

{Ed047's Note - to be fair Ozil has always been training, Guendouzi just maybe the last 2 weeks, Mustafi and Chambers first day back.

I think it would be madness not to use them if they do stay which in more than likely I would say.


6.) 03 Oct 2020 19:51:13
Hi Renegade mate, I totally agree that if nothing happens between now and Monday evening then all our players need to be included on a equal footing. Guendozi is young and he's not seen the interest in himself he may have expected from others clubs and Arteta is a very young inexperienced managr who obviously hasn't yet earned an international reputation that makes top players want to work with him. Both MEN should sit down and put the past behind them in my opinion because both could have big futures in thier respective careers or could both disappear off the radar if they don't learn and grow into their professions. The Ozil situation is a club problem in my opinion, Mesut has stood his ground and refused to be bullied by the club Emery or Arteta and it's time to end this childish freezing him out because simply because the club regrets offering Mesut such a ridiculous contract in the first place.
Let the past go and move forward as a united unit is the only way in my opinion.


7.) 03 Oct 2020 23:17:39
I have to agree with that G62, no point paying players and not using them. Yes, I would prefer them to go, but ultimately that doesn’t look possible. I have been incredibly critical of Guendouzi, and I still think his behaviour in that Brighton game was disgusting. However, he is young, and show me any youngster who hasn’t made mistakes. So yes, if he accepts his error and is willing to learn and improve, them I would 100% like him to stay. Mustafi has been poor, yet was an international when he joined us, and finally, played his best football by far in the recent post CV period, so maybe we are finally getting the Mustafi we wanted. Would I offer him another contract, no, but perhaps he can finally start paying us back for the previous years of dross for the remainder of his contract. Finally Ozil. He remains by far our most skilful player, who should be sitting in the Number 10 position pulling the strings for Aubameyang and Lacazette, and yet all he gets is grief for not defending. Would I start him away at Liverpool, maybe not, but would I start him at home, versus a lower team, where we will dominate possession, absolutely yes. Rather than writing these players off, maybe with a manager willing to play to their strengths rather than forcing them to compromise, we might be pleasantly surprised what talent we actually have.


 

 

16 Sep 2020 10:54:35
I have a very real question for all fans regarding Sead Kolasinic.

We all want to see Arteta clear out several defenders plus some midfielders in order to (a) Remove deadwood (b) free up wages and squad space (c) raise funds where possible to but the midfielders we need.

But regarding Saed, who by the way is not good enough for our first team, moreover when we play 4 at the back, if we do get rid of him does that mean that AMN of Saka are then the back up Left Backs?

If we do sell both Kolasinic and Hector - AMN becomes the right back where he is covered by Cedric but who is the cover for left back?
Is it Saka? Is Saka happy to be a left back? Is that where Arteta sees him?

Just a question but one that needs to be considered.

tommurphy

1.) 16 Sep 2020 11:31:31
Still Kolasinac no matter what. The guy is clueless. Have you seen when we played Everton last year in the league at home? If you want to see shocking defending see how Everton scored their first goal. I think he’s worse than Andre Santos.


2.) 16 Sep 2020 12:34:31
the problem with Kolasinac is that he is a LWB, he doesn't do well in a flat back 4 because he isn't solid enough defensively and needs extra cover from a LCB. He can get away with being not that sound defensively however because he can easily body people off the ball. We should try to sell him for 12-15m, but the issue is he's on very high wages (100k p/ w I think) which will make him harder to move on unless we either take a lower fee or he's willing to take a pay cut.


3.) 16 Sep 2020 19:28:36
In a pinch, I'm sure one of our left-footed CBs could fill as well.


4.) 16 Sep 2020 22:06:23
He definitely makes my list of players who should be cut, ironically especially if we stick to the 3 CB, s as I definitely would prefer Saka as first choice back up. However, if memory serves we got him on a free, hence why his salary is high. Therefore I think it highly unlikely we will find anyone willing to pay both a transfer fee and maintain his current wages. I suspect a loan or keep until his contract expires will be the most likely outcomes, but either way I wouldn’t expect any transfer fee to be received.


 

 

14 Sep 2020 10:41:02
Lots of people upset that we sold Martinez. I'm split as to which of the keepers we should have sold but let's try to be real in that you can only keep 2 top keepers if;

1 - You have plenty of money available without selling them
2 - Both are happy to be rotated
3 - You have a perfectly balanced squad in all other areas so you don't need to raise funds for new purchases

Unfortunately none of the above is true in our case so we simply had to bite the bullet. As painful as it is, one of them had to go.

I just wish we worked a bit harder now on doing the same with the players we need to ship out ;

Chambers
Mustafi
Toriera
Guendouzi
Hector
Sokratis
Ozil

We got almost EUR 20 million for Emi - Surely we could get another EUR 80 million for that lot above and then get at least one if not both of our midfield targets in.

tommurphy

1.) 14 Sep 2020 11:12:21
There's one key issue that everyone seems to forget.

You can only sell a player if there are interested clubs and clubs that can afford a deal. Nobody wants Mustafi, Chambers and Ozil. Napoli want Sokratis but don't even want to pay a fee for him and Guendouzi thinks he's playing at KDB's level, so should leave to join a bigger a better club. Ed002 has already said that Arsenal are struggling to offload him.

Realistically we can sell Bellerin and Torreira but again, interested parties are limited mate.

Teams want players like AMN's and Martinez and it's so important that we generate some funds through player sales. Lacazette has publicly stated that he's happy at Arsenal and wants to stay but don't be surprised if we offload him for 50m if a club comes calling. He's the type of player that clubs want, not the dead wood so to speak.


2.) 14 Sep 2020 12:08:10
Agree totally Glenn.

I suppose the point I was trying to make was that selling Emi falls in to the category of selling the likes of Laca in that while some of us might not like to do it, the reality is that we need to sell them both to reduce the squad size and to raise funds.

The list I had to raise more money was more in hope than anything else due to the current market.

Tough decisions required all round at the moment.


3.) 14 Sep 2020 12:36:48
I totally agree lads, you can only sell a player if
A they agree to leave
B Another club wants them
C a fee can be agreed between Arsenal and the other club
D the player and other club reach agreement on the players wages etc.
It's definitely a buyers market right now and the market is flooded as almost all clubs try to off load unwanted players to save money, great news when your looking to pick up a bargain but not so great when your looking to sell players yourself.


4.) 14 Sep 2020 21:13:28
Agree with everything said so far. In any field, good assets, that offer quality, or something unique, will always have a re sale value, and market to do so.

Sadly that list of players we would like to offload, with perhaps the exception of Ozil, offers nothing unique, and have questionable or perhaps inconsistent quality.

All are on wages That put them into only the top tier of European club wage structures, none of which would touch any of those players with a barge poll.

The next level of European clubs, such as your Valencia’s, would have to make these players amongst their top earners for any to accept a move, and no-one is going to bring in Mustafi as their top paid player unless they come in on a free, so I fear we may be stuck with that list for longer than we hoped.


 

 

 

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25 Sep 2020 11:10:26
I had read something similar to Colney Bandit's appraisal of Atletico's current situation. This then begs two questions;

1 - How / Why is this our problem? If they can't pay for Torriera should we not try to sell him elsewhere? Or if the Italian clubs are also only interested in loaning him also, should we not just loan him to Italy and leave Atletico do one? Do we feel that they have been difficult to deal with over Partey and therfore they don't deserve our patience?

Or

2 - Bearing in mind that Edu and Mikel are not totally stupid - Are we resisting the loan offers from Italy (where torriera would love to return to) and persevering with Atletico and all their issues because there is still a way to lessen the impact of this 25% rule and somehow still tie Torriera in to a Partey deal.

Personally I think that option 2 above is still on the table to some extent as otherwise we would have let him go to Italy by now.

I hope I am even partially correct as Mikel obviously does not fancy Lucas and we could really do with Partey.

tommurphy

{Ed002's Note - Atletico Madrid have not been difficult at all. It seems that the arrogance of Arsenal supporters might well be the issue.}


 

 

 

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21 Sep 2020 17:43:49
Are we finally making progress? It certainly feels like we are if we believe todays rumours;

Apparent interest in Mustafi, Chambers, Saed, Sokratis, Torriera and (at last) Guendouzi. If we managed to get money for all of these guys (maybe 80m in total ) . I could nearly put up with the Ozil situation if we did all of the above.

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14 Sep 2020 12:08:10
Agree totally Glenn.

I suppose the point I was trying to make was that selling Emi falls in to the category of selling the likes of Laca in that while some of us might not like to do it, the reality is that we need to sell them both to reduce the squad size and to raise funds.

The list I had to raise more money was more in hope than anything else due to the current market.

Tough decisions required all round at the moment.

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08 Sep 2020 11:54:56
If only we could sell the above and get Ozil off the wage bill (even without a fee for him) we would be ok.

tommurphy