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13 Jan 2025 13:04:28
Morning all. I have been trying not to post and hold my own emotions back. I was worried about last night game especially looking at how things have played out in the last month.

First of all, I wanted to address the fan's reactions to last night. No matter how long you have been following the club or how much you have struggled to attend the games we have no right to attack a players/ managers family. Give your head a good wobble go see the doctors because if you reacted like that over a game of football there is something seriously wrong with you. We are all humans and not even Totenham players deserve that.

The last two years we have been fortunate with fresh players not that many games and injury free team. Players are humans who do need rest and respite and have a life away from football and family to care for. I said before the game that United won't be a walk in the park as no matter how bad they are they will always put in a performance against us, and they did that yesterday.

Reports are now emerging of Arteta asking for players that he never got instead was provided with what we have today. If a manager came out and said so himself I wanted so and so and they gave me so and so what do you think that would do to the team morale and how long will the owners keep that manager in a job? Remember Conte at Tottenham when he gave a true picture of Tottenham failures.

When Arteta has tried to rotate the squad he has we all called him out (including myself) We all need to give him and the team time to progress. Yes he has had five years, in which he has taken us from almost bottom of the table to regularly fighting for 1st spot cemenet or Champions League position. That in itself is a massive task I for one would not have expected to be challenging like we are and very grateful for that.

For me its just as important to make sure that we have the right backroom staff as we have on the pitch and for me right now we don't have that. We need to fins a replacement for Edu as quick as possible. Someone who has good links with the scouting world of football who can unearth untapped players that will come in cheap and have good resale value. Then we need to find a striker who will finish all these chances that we are creating and strengthen other positions. Do we know anyone of this caliber (saying it quietly Wenger without having influence on the actual game)

If we want a quick fix and a one off Prem league title then let's go out to what leicester did but don't forget what happened to them soon after winning. We want to build a team that will consistently be winning titles teams that future generations will be proud off

I have said it before Arsenal was here well before me and most of the fan base (not sure about G62) and will be here a very long time after we are all gone. Enjoy what we have and where we are heading. don't stop posting because someone else has a different hought process to yourself that's the beauty of this site we have all have different views and they all count and i for love reading to all the posts.

If we can't be behind the team when they are going through a rough patch we are not fans of the team or club but glory hunters. If you are a glory hunter then you are probably supporting the wrong club because we do not jump ship when the going gets tough and it is very tough right now

Now for the next game Tottenham are going to get it hard and I'm expecting a high scoring game, i'm hoping Ange won't be parking the bus and that will give us opportunities which we can exploit.

COYG We love you all.

{Ed025's Note - cracking post that G4E, and what you said about the abuse to the wife of KH is spot on...absolutely horrendous and out of order mate...kudos..

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13 Jan 2025 14:38:43
With the exception of your comments about the vile hate players are receiving, I don't agree with anything you're saying. Particularly, the comments about being glory hunters. You're talking about many fans here who have been supporting the club for several decades. Hardly glory hunters.

I'm not in the Arterta out bandwagon, but I don't get the idea of you and others trying to wrap him in cottonwool. I'm not sure why there's allegations of wrongdoing, or why we as fans, need to care about who was responsible for signings. These people are paid extremely highly to do this, and over the last few seasons they seem to have seriously screwed the proverbial pooch.

There's accountability and responsibility. You can't keep blaming the match ball and expecting that to fly.

13 Jan 2025 16:41:49
Right until this season we had been improving every year. If this season ends up being a failure (still plenty of games to play) in my opinion Arteta would still deserve another chance to get us back on track. However, he would have to surpass not only this season but last season as well to keep his place beyond next season.

Mistakes were made last summer but i have no idea who should take the blame. Next summer will be huge though. I would love to see someone come in january as well. I know it's not easy (been reading ed001's replies) but things are starting to look desperate for us. A new forward could give us a huge lift.

13 Jan 2025 17:05:47
100% agree. I understand Arteta took us from 4th to challenging again, but that was not the ultimate aim. The aim was to start winning again, and we haven’t. We have been disgustingly poor in the cup competitions and at times bottled the league. This is the time and season for him to move on if we don’t win the league or CL. Think of the bigger picture, the likes of Saliba leaving because he wants to win. Do you want to go through another cycle of rebuilding or do you want to win now? That is the question.

13 Jan 2025 17:39:01
RSharpe i'm glad we agree on something. People often take things out of context and read what they want to see, or what they believe someone is referring too. I have not asked for Arteta to be wrapped in cotton wool. I have asked for time to be given and tehre is nothing wrong with that.

People mention Arteta has been here 5 years and should be held accountable. I have not read his contract but I can only assume his initial obligation would have been to turn things around and make us competitive in the market. I don't know about you but if you read some of my earlier posts of a few years ago at times I was questioning if Arsenal were still the club that I fell in love with all those years ago. This was not an over night thing players had left managers had left back room staff had left ownerships had changed, club ethos where being questioned.

Arteta came and has successfully changed all that and those who have been part of changing company culture and ethos will appreciate the work and effort that goes into that. We are now at a stage where we are looking for the next jump this is delivering silver and being on the top of the game. It won't happen over night especially with our limited spending power. that's why in my earlier posts this year I said we should be looking at reviewing Arteta managerial position. Review should take into consideration if Arteta is the right person is delivering on club expectations. Some reports already suggest he had to force the signings through of fury and Merino although jury is still out if they were the right signings.

The comment with the match ball I believe like Sir Wenger earlier commented is a tactical genious. It takes all the pressure away from the team even though it makes him look like an idiot. Keeps the pressure away from the team. Seems to me he wants the best for the club and fans but we don't see it.

I don't claim to have inside knowledge of what goes on inside the club and how they conduct the business, but surely if you are bringing the wrong people to the team than that would be looking at the recruitment process rather than the training process. If Edu couldn't find/ pay for a striker than you can't really blame Arteta for playing a striker. that's why we as fans need to look at the bigger picture. The owners will happily change the manager because then the pressure stays off them. Accountability and responsibility is set by them and measured by them I am sure they would have reviewed that when his contract was up

As mentioned in previous posts I think we should sit tight see who the club decide to replace Edu with and if the said person delivers the players we need.

United we stand devided we fall. We have the foundations of great team let's get behind them and our young manager. He will bring devident. Please don't take this post as battering people down with alternative thought process I strongly believe the sucess of this site is down to having a mixture of opinions without which it would die out and would hate for that to happen.

13 Jan 2025 17:49:32
I think once the fans start to lose faith in the manager and/ or the players it is a very slippery slope to get back to the top.

I can't see Arteta giving up his position voluntarily but I'm reading Trossard, Kiwior, Tierney and Jorghino are close to moving on and Partey is out of contract in the summer.
I assume Marquinos, Viera and Reiss Nelson will all be sold in the summer. That's quite a turnround in the next few months.

I can't agree with a get him out now approach. We haven't been the same since the Invincibles so perhaps we need to realise that we don't have a God-given right to be the best but we can TRY to be the best we can. Looking round the other forums it seems we are very disliked for our arrogance and cheating. Not things I want our club to be associated with. I assume all the faffing about wasting time is a new Arteta tactic to try to get an edge and I hope that is soon history.

I think we have to be realistic about this season and so does Arteta.

{Ed025's Note - yeah Sally the Arsenal are not liked very much at the moment according to the other teams pages mate, not that it will bother many gooner fans i expect who may just think its a bit of jealousy, top 4 looks like the most you can achieve this season but the next campaign is massive for Arteta, that is of course that he is still at the helm by then..

13 Jan 2025 18:27:42
Completely agree with all you said, gunns!

And the opposition fans also hated us when we had Wenger, a literal messiah for English football, so I could care less if our recent upturn in fortunes has inspired their envy.

13 Jan 2025 18:56:37
Excellent post G4 mate ?

Unfortunately I couldn't afford the required sixpence to help form Dial Square back in 1886, my pension just wouldn't stretch to it back then mate ????.

13 Jan 2025 20:30:40
Hi G4,

I read that we have some key contracts up for renewal soon. If we don’t win something this year or next - we are in trouble.
I have to assume 700m comes with expectation of trophies and based on rumour Edu left due to Arteta’s increasing power - I find it hard someone else chose our signings plus Arteta prioritised positions over a striker. He loves Kai.

My main issues are the playing style, squad quality, tactics and lack of energy in our play. I think we have no real leaders and certainly have not addressed the mentality of the club and players.

He’s improved us but I think he lacks that killer instinct and tactical shrewdness. How many lower teams out play us by changing tactics.

If he’s still got the changing room - why can’t he get them playing better at start of each half after a team talk

Injuries are real but so is his shallow squad and duds that are playing in European leagues. The poor signings really have not helped and they weren’t cheap.

Passing sideways - on him

No striker and all attacks via Saka - on him

I have some sympathy and appreciation but I don’t think he’s got the horsepower. I’d give him one more season and minimum required is a trophy and top 3.

Happily get behind him as he’s a Gooner but he hasn’t earned much more time than that especially as he can’t seem to stop the slow sideways / backward bollox we are doing.

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13 Jan 2025 22:18:07
Edu has publicly denied there is a problem with Arteta SY, unless he's telling porkies.

13 Jan 2025 23:30:14
Speaking on The Transfers Podcast, Castles said: “Arteta went into the season in his strongest position of power ever at the club, having been handed a new three-year contract in September.

“That contract, I’m told, was one of the key reasons why Edu resigned his position as sporting director to take up a broader position with Nottingham Forest and Olympiakos owner Evangelos Marinakis, the multi-club group, because he wasn’t happy with Arteta’s increasing authority at the club. ”.

14 Jan 2025 00:01:58
Also from the Independent


Arsenal have instead gone in another direction, and some of this is understood to be partly linked to changing dynamics within the club. As executive vice-chair, Tim Lewis, is the Kroenke ownership’s most influential figure, with the football department entirely revolving around Mikel Arteta. The Basque's transformative impact ensured he was promoted from head coach to outright manager, inherently lessening the role of any technical director.





 

 

 
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