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08 Jan 2025 15:09:17
Just like to say about comments about fans walking out.
If your pissed off with your team and you have spent a tidy sum going to the game sometimes it's a sort of protest against your teams display that's not a crime has the majority of them fans have shown their commitment by stumping up serious money for their season ticket.
When on the rare occasion I get a ticket depending whether it's a night game or 4.30 kick off on a Sunday or 5.30 Saturday dictates what time I leave the game because I live 2 and half hours drive from the Emirates.
I remember one game against Schalke in Champions league when Wenger was manager we were so bad I walked out 15 minutes from the end me and quite a few others.

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08 Jan 2025 15:45:30
HB end of the day its your money your ticket your time you spend it how you like. However if you are there and you choose to leave then you are effecting the team morale and contributing for the downfall. Be the 12th man.

08 Jan 2025 16:55:29
I'm not buying this. Not one single player has ever gone home and felt badly about Highburybill or any other fan going home early.

If teams want fans to stay till the end, give them a reason to. Be entertaining.

{Ed014's Note - you’re on a mission today Sharpie ?

08 Jan 2025 17:04:11
I think you might under-estimate the sensitivity of human beings Sharpie.

08 Jan 2025 17:22:58
When was the last time you heard a footballer say, "it hurt my feelings that people started going home early"? I've not heard a single player mention this once in over 30 years of watching football. I think you're over estimating the possibility that they care.

08 Jan 2025 17:52:40
I don't think they will come out and say it purely on the basis that any comment towards the fans can cause an outrage among fans. Why do you thinks teams applaud their fans? why do you think some teams are harder to beat at home than away? Why do you think. Why do you think that most teams are worried about visiting stadiums. Its down to the fans. The fans mood and show of solidarity with team has a big impact on team performance and if you have not noticed that then maybe its time to stop smoking the green at half time (only joking about that mate)

08 Jan 2025 17:07:35
I've not had a spliff yet, mate.

{Ed014's Note - then I really can’t wait until you have ?

08 Jan 2025 18:46:30
G4, everything you're saying is contradicting what we saw on display yesterday.

1. We lost at home yesterday
2. Newcastle didn't seem worried boxing our stadium.


Fans applaud their team when they win. They applaud when their teams, even in loss, when said puts in a shift and have been seen to have played their hearts out.

If you accept these as a token of fan appreciation for these players, then surely you know that there's an opposite reaction in circumstances where the very requisites for applause are not in evidence. That was the game yesterday.

People are allowed to feel however they feel, react (non violently) however they want to react. If, and this is a big if, this affects any players, good! I don't have anyone waiting in the wings to applaud me when I deliver a shoddy work product to my clients.

08 Jan 2025 20:32:04
Sharpie - completely agree. Players need to show they care more. When Ode gave the ball away stupidly the other game - don’t sulk, go win it back you big baby. If they care and watch the games back - show next time you’ve learned / care by passing forward quicker. I don’t believe they show they are obsessed with winning.

Question - what are the players doing to encourage fans to be inconvenienced to stay right to the end to clap them off? I didn’t see anything from them. May be if Kai came out to do hearing practice they would stay. Fans won’t get home till after midnight….

Wenger got it:

"When somebody buys a ticket and spends £50, £60 or £70, it is not because he wants to be bored"

"It is because he wants to enjoy a football game. I feel we all have a responsibility to keep that going. "

"Of course, we also have the responsibility to win games and the difficulty in the job is to combine both, "

No one is saying Arteta is useless and why do we want a site with mono-opinions that just say well done, so happy you put some effort in and who cares if we don’t win because you tried and I don’t want to upset you by giving you any negative feedback.

Arteta has improved us and loves the club. BUT he is negative, stubborn and has not driven a winning mentality at all. He’s signed some right duds and stagnated. Our starting 11 isn’t good enough and never was. You are kidding yourself if you think that’s the case or that 11 players is a big enough squad. He’s been negligent by not addressing our issues 3 or 4 seasons ago when we weren’t in Europe and could get away with a smaller squad plus players weren’t knackered due to stupid Dec tournaments and pointless friendlies. BUT he knew that and needs to have the right sized squad. We always needed better atttacking options &he thought Kai, Trossard etc was sufficient. Head up his arse

If we aren’t honest and accept mediocrity then guess what we get. Why did Wenger end up going stale? Club completely lack ambition and had no one questioning him like Dein did.

People on here we’re sad Edu left. So who’s to blame? The board who gave him millions or both Edu plus Arteta as they were in charge.

Nothing wrong with being critical as long as you are balanced. No difference to getting fed up with people posting positive stuff when we aren’t playing well or praising every signing just because Arteta signed him. That’s not healthy.

Fans leaving early is a good thing if the right questions are asked and addressed.

Do you watch all of an awful film or give up. Did people leave the chat as they had better things to do? Why is the pressure on the fans? Game was over by the time they left and players were too busy passing backwards or behind players to even notice. If want the last 10 mins thst cost us the game.

08 Jan 2025 20:53:01
I was there last night, a fair few left quite early. I have no choice but to leave early (around 85/ 88 depending on what's happening in said minutes) on the night games as i have a train back north that only runs on the hour till 11pm. Before i started taking my son i missed a few staying to clap the team off.

The stadium can be an absolute nightmare to get out of, however that being said its entertainment at the end of the day and if its not entertaining, people are well within their rights to leave when they want, wether that be at half time, full time or somewhere inbetween.

I think one of the main issues with the atmosphere this year is the a mixture of too many tourists getting tickets. And the moving of the Ashburton lads, who really had the Emirates rocking the last two or so seasons.

08 Jan 2025 21:14:08
Gunner93 - who moved and why? Always interesting to hear stuff like that and from season ticket / ticket holders… hope you are well and hope we start putting in effort and entertainment to make it easier to stay… ?.

08 Jan 2025 21:33:26
Hello 93 it is a nightmare to get out of unfortunately but if you got a train to catch or traffic to navigate then you got no choice irrespective what's going on in the stadium. My son in law who is a season ticket holder said the same as you about the Ashburton boys.

08 Jan 2025 21:37:24
The atmosphere has certainly changed among a significant number of fans this season, there have been a tiny minority of negative voices over the past two seasons but that number has dramatically increased this season.

From memory it's been 20 years since we finished in the top 2 in consecutive seasons so as much as I'm disappointed with our current form I think this manager and these players have earned our backing until the end of this season at the very least, we know they are far better than their current performances suggest and I think we are far closer to where we want to be now than we have been for a generation.

08 Jan 2025 22:23:22
If you get a chance sharpie and sy do read some of my previous posts where I too have been critical of the team and management. But there’s a time in place for everything. Nobody is denying that the squad is not good enough and also fans leaving early to catch a train or get home at a resonable time is expected. The problem which I highlighted was the negativity in the stadium from fans does have an impact on the team. Which you complexly wrote off. I’m glad JG93 mentioned the the Ashburton boys. Not heard much about them. There is something definitely not right at the club and it’s not Arteta and the team. If players decide to leave they won’t be leaving because of other players or the manager. It will be because we are not improving and the fans are turning on them. They are also young and inexperienced so have patience and trust the process.

08 Jan 2025 22:54:22
Hi G4E

I always read your posts - they are normally a lot shorter and easier to read / digest than mine of late

I do believe a positive crowd shouting their hearts out drives the team on. I believe the manager and the team have a role in that - play with a once of positivity and forward play. Track back when you give sloppy passes away.
So the lack of that must have an impact but again, it’s on the team, manager and club to help that. Crowd leaving 15 mins early was irrelevant as the team had given up before then and looked like they were happy playing out a 0 2 score line.

No intelligent subs or change in tactics from the manager.
No player grabbing game by the neck
No player trying to speed up our attack

So why would they or we expect them to stay to the end.

I don’t believe it had a huge impact on outcome - the managers tactics and poor subs and defensive approach hindered us. Any attempt to blame the fans or to ask them to go above and beyond without demanding a lot more from Arteta and team is not right in my opinion.

Any criticism of King Arteta is frowned upon and a hint that he bottled it is blasphemous. Questions should have been asked every season we aren’t winning something AND competing.

We seem to treat our players while they are brittle sportsman. Yet when you read about top top sports people - they are winners through and through and might be difficult but they are focused on winning.

Yes fan engagement is important but don’t let the players and manager off. The crowd is the 12th man not 1 to 11. The players let themselves down as did Arteta.

09 Jan 2025 11:59:07
Sy thanks for reading my posts. You will agree that I have too previously asked that we hold the players and arteta accountable. However mid season when we have a weak squad and games ontop of games is the time we should be getting behind the team rather than a mass fall out.

Theres already rumours that of backhanders taken by edu. Ashburton Army being moved out (which i find very bizzare) . We are in a tricky situation and we must be very careful on the next actions we take otherwise it may be 1 step forward and 10 steps backward

Our starting 11 have a very good relationship with Arteta speak very highly of him and his expectations getting rid of him will definetly unsettle and we may see a similar result as united where the new manager no matter how talented will struggle and a massive over haul will be required again.

09 Jan 2025 16:51:34
Interesting - I read Edu left because Arteta was getting more and more and more power at the club. Feels like aged Wenger Mark II ?

Stubborn, powerful and questionable tactics / addressing issues / results…. Have we not learned?

Hope it not backhanders - hope we learned from GG. Hope it’s not the control piece as hope we learned from the later Wenger years…

Thanks for the reply and makes sense although still feel questions should be asked as we weren’t strong enough for past 3 seasons with added games and less rest… anyway . ?.





 

 

 
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