12 Sep 2024 12:57:57
Just had a look at the City page to see how the fans are reacting to the trial starting on Monday and was gobsmacked to see some of the changes go back to 2009 and right up to 2023.
I know Ed002 has said a lot of the charges are minor but I was still surprised they go back so far.
It's obviously not Arsrnal related but I reckon a lot of football fans will be interested.
12 Sep 2024 16:08:58
Aye Sallyjannine, a lot seem to be for failure to co-operate etc.
Couple of big ones in there, the manager remuneration one will be an interesting one - there was rumours years ago of Mancini being paid under the table from a second account lol that was never answered
Certainly a lot of fans interested, particularly to see, if the charges are proven of course, if harsh punishments will be handed out as has happened to other clubs.
12 Sep 2024 18:39:10
The money spent on lawyers defending against these charges, included in club spending.
12 Sep 2024 18:56:16
Hi Bill, the FA have to be consistent and treat City as he they did Everton and Forest, if they are proven to be guilty of being breaking the same rules personally I hope they haven't broken rule's worthy of a points deductions because I'd like us to out point City, Liverpool and everyone else come next May on a completely level playing field. Personally I'd hate us to win the league over City by 2 points if City had been deducted 3pts.
12 Sep 2024 21:47:58
Unlimited funds versus limited funds might prove difficult for the FA.
13 Sep 2024 09:38:58
Hi Sally, it seems that City are subject to the same version of justice as those accused of being witches during the dark ages. If they survive being dragged across the river they are obviously witches and should be burned at the stake and if they drowned in the river can they be deemed to be innocent.
Personally I think we'd be much better off concentrating on The Arsenal's brilliance than other people's potential downfall.
{Ed001's Note - most of those charges against City, the older ones, have already been proven in a court of law when UEFA charged them. The difference was, despite the outright lie City have said of being found innocent, they were time-barred from being punished for them. It is nothing like witches, they were given the chance to appeal repeatedly to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which allowed most of the charges to become time-barred. If anything, they have been given the justice reserved only for the rich - do what you like, and even when caught red-handed you can just buy your way out of it.}
13 Sep 2024 11:19:27
Fair enough Ed001, the FA will do or not do whatever they choose and I'm happy to accept whatever decision they come up with for City.
Personally I don't care about football politics in theslightest, there are far bigger and more important injustices in the world to worry about, football is supposed to be a game played on the field that keeps fan's entertained and i'm only interested in Arsenal's continued re-emergence as a footballing force apposed to hoping for anyone else's downfall. The ethics of those who own football clubs and the human rights abuses they commit are a far bigger issue for me than any footballing rules they and plenty of others have broken over the years. I very much doubt there are too many clubs without a few skeletons in their wardrobes.
{Ed001's Note - if you don't care about the subject, why even bother to comment to tell us all how little you care? Just scroll past. You could have started a separate thread about the human rights abuses etc, rather than hijacking a thread about something else mate. This is why it is so difficult to have decent discussions online - people will hijack any thread with something they think is more important. Then conversations end up confused.
To be clear, I do agree with you to a degree. Things like human rights abuses are clearly more important, but they are separate issues and should be treated as such. You have to remember that what we are discussing here is still, despite only being about sports, are ethical and moral issues. They are about people who think it is ok to just ignore laws and rules if it benefits them. You tend to find in life that people who think like that, think like that about all things, not just sports. So there is a bigger issue involved as well. If you can't hold them accountable in here, where it is minor, you then make it more difficult for them to be held accountable anywhere else as well.}
13 Sep 2024 11:56:43
Just a quick comment but in my opinion City and human rights are linked via their owners as they can use City as a device to mask the injustices they are committing in their country. So while they seem like separate issues they're never completely separate.
13 Sep 2024 12:29:16
There is overlaps with the human rights issues, because WHY are the UAE, Qatar and Saudi spending billions sports washing?
{Ed001's Note - I think it is only right to point out that the UK and USA have just as bad a record on human rights.}
13 Sep 2024 12:40:45
For me 62 love and appreciation of football in general (not just our beloved Arsenal) depends very much on the honesty and integrity of all aspects of the game, whether on or off the pitch. Without this what's the point of sport?
i know rumours should be ignored until proven but it seems (please correct me If I'm wrong eds) that only Italy have a good record on doping punishments.
13 Sep 2024 12:48:08
Fair comment again Ed001 mate, i should have just scrolled past the comment and not got involved in something that isn't really an issue for me. Lesson learned for me, hopefully ?,
{Ed001's Note - no it is fine mate. I was just saying, when you make comments like it doesn't interest you etc, it kind of takes away from any point you make.}
13 Sep 2024 13:00:46
The US has more prisoners per head of population than any other country in the world, man are in prison for minor driving offences like having a tail light out, victims are initially given a huge fine beyond their means to pay and given just 14 days to pay, then they are imprisoned for not paying the fine. Once in prison they are put to work for the state that imprisoned them for several years. If the US was anything other than a western country, this would quite rightly be called slavery.
13 Sep 2024 19:34:44
Throw the book at them and remove the undeserved trophies over the years. Don’t give them to another team - just remove from them and delete their success from the history books. Put them back to where they were before they purchased their success - do the same with Chelsea with their BS extended contracts to cheat the system.
14 Sep 2024 02:12:02
GOOD LORD! gunner62, you really need to stop the repeated viewings of Cool Hand Luke for your knowledge of the modern day penal system.
14 Sep 2024 17:20:40
Yikes! I suddenly have so much to say but I'm trying to be nice so I'll just sit here and watch.
Hi everyone!
{Ed014's Note - hi Sharpie, unlike you to keep your gob shut! ?♂️?
14 Sep 2024 18:04:46
14, I'm turning over a new leaf. No need to quiet shame me! Jeez! What a guy! First you attack Tielemans, and now me!? How rude.
How you doing 14?
{Ed014's Note - you turning over a new leaf? ?
I’m good thanks mate, how's things with you?
14 Sep 2024 19:46:32
I'm good, yeah. How's the better half?
{Ed014's Note - great to hear mate and doing very well thanks
14 Sep 2024 20:23:11
Check out the facts via official government statistics, but obviously not via twitter, Facebook, YouTube and the like dk. I don't know if you have ever watched any of the Simon Reeves documentaries, but there is extremely sobering episode that shows this abuse of human rights that has been happening for decades in some American states. Cool hand Luke was a brilliant film, but unfortunately for some of the poorest people in America it's anything but fiction.