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17 May 2016 14:35:30
Hi Eds
Is anyone able to enlighten me with regards to transfer fees and costs etc. As an example, Xhaka's price is being quoted around 33 million (approx) Is that price purely the price of the player, and then agent fees etc are added later? Or does that price include all necessary add-ons? i'm curious as Wenger apparently stated Kroenke will provide appropriate funding this summer, and would be helpful to have an idea how player prices work so we can try and be objective with Wenger and board.
Thanks in advance.
{Ed002's Note - As football fans it is best you avoid any thoughts about the finances as it tends to confuse everyone. However, it might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £45M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).
What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.
1.) 17 May 2016 17:44:12
Hey Ed002, What happens if the player is sold and there were some promises made to previous club in add-ons like some appearances or some awards won by that player. What happens to those add-ons?
{Ed002's Note - Sorry - I really have no interest in entering in to any discussion on the page.}
2.) 17 May 2016 21:48:02
And to answer the initial question I think a lot of the transfer fees you heard don't account for the additional costs. Good example is buying you house you have the house price ( transfer fee) but it doesn't take into account moving cost, solicitors fees, estate agents fees, Mrs wanting new sofas ect ect.
3.) 18 May 2016 00:37:19
I seriously judt don't get it why fans want to get stuck in all the transfer fees and cost and so on, there is a price for every player and we have the money to spend it, end of. I personally do not care. we pay to watch matches, at the stadium and on tv and I don't think any club will be asking how much in fees we pay.
4.) 18 May 2016 00:07:57
Thanks Ed002, very informative.
Good comparison Dandan.
5.) 18 May 2016 14:53:11
Hi Ed,
Superb explanation. It also puts into context why a transfer takes so long.
For all of those payments / actions I imagine there are numerous forms to fill well after an amount has been agreed.
#AllhailtheFaxMachine.
{Ed002's Note - Yes there is a form or two.}
6.) 19 May 2016 08:46:40
Thanks for the above Ed - much appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lefty.}
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30 Oct 2022 12:35:02
Does anyone know any good sites to watch the match today? Surprised it'd not on BT on Sky for a 2 o clock Sunday.
1.) 30 Oct 2022 13:27:52
Dzeko11.net.
2.) 30 Oct 2022 13:47:03
Eplsite.
3.) 30 Oct 2022 15:53:25
Thank you both. Worked great!
20 Apr 2022 11:14:13
Massive game tonight, huge! We should be going to Stamford Bridge planning for a win, but knowing we can afford a loss.
Losing to (no disrespect intended) Palace, Brighton and Southampton has made tonight a must win, or at the very least, a must-not lose game. If we have any desire for Top 4, tonight and Sat against United is just massive. This needs to get through to the team, play with absolute heart and energy. Fight for every ball! Just simply WANT IT MORE.
If we do that, we can win. We are the underdog, we are wounded, we are missing vital players, but other teams have come to us in a similar position and won because of their fight and will to win.
If we roll over and give-up tonight, that sends a clear message for the season end. But I am keeping the faith. I am excited. I am terrified.
1.) 20 Apr 2022 15:20:05
Me too Lefty :)
2.) 20 Apr 2022 21:57:53
Not a hint of rolling over tonight Lefty. Unbelievable display considering the starting line up and squad.
Where was this collective attitude the past three fixtures?
Again there’s hope, but with Arsenal it’s always the hope that kills ya.
Great three points to savour for tonight tho.
3.) 20 Apr 2022 22:03:05
Totally agree Shambo! that's all we could ask for, and the lads delivered. They showed fantastic fight, especially to keep going after 2 very early goal replies! What a result at the Bridge.
Like you said, where was this fight in the last 3 games? Either way, we needed a response. Win against Utd and we have some great momentum again.
Also, shout out to Eddie. Not his biggest fan, but he didn't stop tonight.
01 Feb 2022 08:09:49
Now the dust has settled, I can't help but feel some sadness with Aubameyang. Hate how it ended for him. can't hide from the fact that he has been pretty poor the past 18 months, without anyone really understanding why. But prior to this, for me, he was a superstar! I was praying he signed a new contract at the time, really believing he would trigger a new chapter at the club. I really wish him well and hope he rediscovers his goal scoring at Barca. Thanks for the memories Auba14!
1.) 01 Feb 2022 10:23:22
For me he didn’t get the service he had when he first joined then when he didn’t he started snatching at chances and missing them…I blame arteta for that for the way we play most of the time.
2.) 01 Feb 2022 10:32:39
Did Auba miss havibb Ozils supplying him? Just a thought given his huge drop in form did seem to coinside with Mesut being frozen out.
3.) 01 Feb 2022 10:41:18
no idea how you can blame Arteta for aubas poor form and poor attitude.
I am assuming you are in the camp of when we win it's the players that get him out of it and nothing to do with him and when we lose it's all poor tactics and Arteta's fault.
I feel like Auba has had 2 arsenal journeys one before the new contract where he was one of the top 3 strikers in Europe and then one after where he scored in something like 14 outs of his last 54 games.
personally, I am glad he has gone and I think Arteta handled it well, by making his mind up and sticking to it and then finding a resolution to get him away from the club. which is best for the player and the club.
it's not the form that I am most disappointed about for Auba as that can happen but from the outside looking in it's the attitude from a captain of arsenal, where I feel it was poor. and the whole Afcon moment where he had the chance to show himself in a positive light with all that was going on and he chooses to go out clubbing and test positive for C.V.
at the same time, same as you lefty, I wish him all the best for the future. just glad its not at Arsenal.
4.) 01 Feb 2022 10:55:25
I won’t miss him
Good riddance.
5.) 01 Feb 2022 13:43:09
For me, he was never quiet the same player after he missed a sitter Vs Olympiakos that knocked us out of the EL.
Wasn’t his fault we lost but that miss did cost us. Had flashes of brilliance during C.V./ no fans. cup final etc but that seems like a significant moment to me.
Wish him good luck.
6.) 01 Feb 2022 13:46:37
I think its sad it ended this way. Creative people are often complex and probably don't take well to rigid structures.
That saying I was concerned when Auba wouldn't sign a new contract until the numbers were mind-blowing.
7.) 01 Feb 2022 13:56:04
Poor attitude
I won’t lose any sleep.
8.) 01 Feb 2022 17:04:10
I'm complex Sally and what makes me even more special is i'm not even creative ????????.
9.) 01 Feb 2022 17:59:35
? don't kid yourself 62.
10.) 01 Feb 2022 19:37:22
I meant don't kid yourself you're not creative, you certainly are 62!
11.) 01 Feb 2022 21:42:05
What are our tactics from what I see all we do is play it down the left to tierney or martinelli they cross it over to nobody in the box…happens time and time again.
20 Jan 2022 10:39:33
I like the ruthless approach Arteta has taken with the squad. It was so needed, Ozil, Mustafi, Sokratis, Luiz, Willian, Kolasinac, Mari etc, etc, all needed moving on so we could build a better team.
I do worry that we look a bit like plums this week though. Only my opinion, but having the NLD called off, then loaning out 6 players in the following week just looks odd.
Again, I believe these moves are needed, clearing squad spaces and wages allowing us the platform to keep building. Had the NLD gone ahead none of this would have mattered, but the timing is awful haha.
1.) 20 Jan 2022 14:43:45
There doesn't appear to be a lot of awareness of future implications of actions at club, there doesn't seem to be anyone to say ' hang on how on how will this look or effect future dealings "
When we went for Arteta why didn't just ask city before contacting Mikel behind thier backs?
Why didn't we just inform Athletico we were going to activate Parteys release clause?
Doing things in a dignified way cost nothing but builds up good relationships for the future rather than resentment that will possibly come back to cuase you problems in the future, it's all so avoidable and unnecessary.
There is a huge feeling in football that Arsenal fooled the premier league last week making the premier league rule makers look silly, why make them look even more foolish with this?
Embarrassing the rule makers by highlighting their mistakes less than a week after you've very publicly had them over isn't a smart thing to do, as I'm sure we will discover later down the line
Job vacancy! Looking for someone with the ability to think before taking action, please apply Arsenal football club asap.
2.) 20 Jan 2022 15:53:39
A bit harsh John
I for one is happy with the way the club is run now
How many times did city tap up our players in the Wenger years.
3.) 20 Jan 2022 16:00:32
All bang on G62. Historically, i've been very proud of our club. We've always been known to be 'classy' and do things the right way. I think Wenger and super David Dein were a huge part of that.
However, the past few years have led to many head scratching moments where we, quite sadly, look foolish. Like mentioned, I think the ruthless squad changes were/ are absolutely needed, but that shouldn't come to the detriment of the image of this great club.
Should have played the NLD for me. Pretty confident we could have got something decent from the game, instead we look a little naive on reflection with so many departures.
4.) 20 Jan 2022 17:36:02
We would have looked more naive if we got beat. There are louder critics out there who would be shouting for MA's head if that had happen.
We all criticize those players loaned out, so maybe we should be patient the club is very likely clearing way for a smaller but stronger squad whilst being frugal to pay more to attract better players.
Yes we were seen as a classy club the way we conducted business. How much inelegant or excessive non football money we have seen come into the business. Wenger himself said FFP will catch up with certain clubs, but he then changed his tune.
Wenger said. “I always did plead for it. Today, I am not convinced that we can maintain it. Football is maybe only at the start of a huge financial investment. It has become the most powerful sport in the world. It means do we have to open the door completely to investments? It is a question we have to raise because, at the moment, it looks like we have created rules that cannot be respected. There is nothing worse than when you create rules that are not respected.
“Maybe we are at the crossroads and we have to think, do we open it with complete freedom to investment for people like the Chinese and Americans, who want to invest here [in England]? If you want to remain the best league in the world, that is certainly the way we have to go.
“Do I want to get rid of financial pair play? I think so because there are too many legal ways to get around it. The question, at least, has to be raised. At the moment, it looks like you can buy clubs in China and get the players there, and buy them in other clubs, then get them, after, here. You can get around [FFP]. Am I convinced that, at the moment, the rules are strong enough to make it respected? I’m not sure. ”
ABBA.
5.) 20 Jan 2022 18:12:23
Think we got away with the NLD postponement very luckily. Still of the opinion we should have played it. As for the image of the club we have had it tarnished by events and certain individuals over the last few years but so have a lot of other clubs.
01 Nov 2021 10:57:57
To add to the Ramsdale debate - I was definitely on the fence when he signed, but more so because of the bizarre decision making with Martinez. Nothing really to do with Ramsdale as I hadnt really watched him play much.
However, I think he has been nothing short of outstanding! Not just his saves, his kicking or his massive body language and personality - his confidence and 'banter' to join in with the crowds sh*taaaaah chant is brilliant! I loved that moment, you can see the passion and joy he already has for the club! He is totally what we needed. Well done!
1.) 01 Nov 2021 20:25:21
Agree Lefty on all fronts.
2.) 02 Nov 2021 10:00:03
You know what? Well done to you two! You see a LOT of complaining on sites like this, but not very often when fans will step back, assess the outcome of something they were previously complaining about, and say, "You know what, I was wrong. They got this one spot on".
So once again, well done you two.
3.) 02 Nov 2021 14:27:50
Thanks Sharpey mate. We all have opinions, usually driven by passion and emotion, but definitely good to hold our hands up transparently. I was not even remotely excited by Ramsdale initially, but he has quickly become an early icon for the club! Can only credit Edu and the recruitment team for clearly seeing something nobody else could. Early days, but I bloody love him haha!
4.) 03 Nov 2021 13:55:10
I too have to hold my hands up on Ramsdale. I wasn’t at all happy going ahead with Leno and I thought Ramsdale signing and fee was outrageous for a player to come in as a back up. But I think a lot of that was driven by the anger of allowing Martinez to leave.
Looking at it now Ramsdale is epitomising what it means to play for Arsenal and his attitude is rubbing off on fans and players alike. Been a long time since I’ve connected with an Arsenal player like that and I’m sure many feel the same.
Odegaard I’m still very underwhelmed with I’ve said it a dozen times here he is far too passive but I hope the penny drops soon for him because his game desperately needs some cut and thrust.
Arteta i'm still on the fence with regarding making big decisions in the big moments and also when it comes to man managing and giving players opportunities to get a run of form going. He got it absolutely spot on vs Leicester tho so I’m happy to be proven wrong.
15 Jul 2022 08:11:26
I really like Zinchenko, think he would be a quality addition. Would definitely push Tierney for a start, hopefully could also push Xhaka to replace him in LMF. Clever move if pulled off for me.
{Ed014's Note - I really like him, would be a great move lefty.
08 Jul 2022 13:43:47
Thats a rumour I like the sound of. Brilliant player. Be very surprised if it happened, but we can hope.
16 Jun 2022 14:16:09
With all the clickbait and insane transfer stories, I really am so grateful for this site. Naturally, I can't help but read all these stories, but before getting carried away I always wait for clarification here first. Cannot beat this site!
{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}
23 May 2022 07:59:45
I think that's the way player contracts are heading now. The club should not give into every demand, but we have to get on-board in some capacity or risk losing/ missing out on the best players. Its up to the club to prove its ambition and achieve its glory goals, only then will contracts such as this be nullified.
31 Jan 2022 09:25:21
Morata. just no no no. Do not rate him at all, and just feels like a signing based on necessity rather than a crucial cog needed to complete the team.
30 Oct 2022 15:53:25
Thank you both. Worked great!
17 Jun 2022 10:30:43
Dags - I would argue this is getting the old Arsenal back, to a degree. I get your point mate, we should expect the best. But the Arsenal of old has never really had success seeking the 'best'. Vieira, Petit, Gilberto, Fabregas, RVP, Koscielny etc were all relatively unknown. Heck, Cazorla, Henry, Rosicky, Pires, Overmars were only slightly more established, but not exactly considered 'the best' around. I would argue the likes of Ozil, PEA and Partey as the most established players we have sought.
My point is, Arsenal's history of success is mainly built from relatively unknown, young players. We will never be a club like City, splashing millions on Haaland. I can't say I have ever watched or heard of Fabio Vieira, but from what i'm reading he fits the mould of our recent player profile. I think he does bring some excitement.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is utter nonsense. All of those players were extremely well known, particularly Rosicky, Henry and Overmars. Overmars was seen as a massive coup when you signed him. Vieira was only available because he had struggled after a move to Italy as he was having difficulty settling in, but he was a big name youngster that they bought in the first place. Petit was probably the closest to an unknown and only in respect as it was an unknown that he could play in midfield as he was a centre-back. Arsenal's entire success was built on big spending on well established names - hence why you were originally known as the 'Bank of England' club.}
13 May 2022 14:12:18
Now is the time for calm heads. Everything felt loose and out of control last night. We had a shocker, and its going to hurt, but we don't have time to feel sorry for ourselves. Now is the time for Arteta to show us what he's made of. Its all still in our hands, calm heads, good focus and we can still achieve our seasons goal.
03 May 2022 09:14:58
To still have 4th in our own hands is such a great achievement. Being honest, I just couldn't see that happening this season, massive result at this stage! 20 league wins so far is also massive, great strides being made!
I believe in this team. We need another good summer, with important signings to come. But either way, the team. well, the club. is definitiely going the right way.
03 May 2022 09:12:02
Credit where its due, that is a huge result. Set-pieces are so important in the modern game, to be able to set up so strongly is a fantastic foundation.