15 May 2018 23:56:39
I don't know why our fans think the arsenal job is a hot property. All the big coaches who have been linked with us, have either taken other job offers, extended their contracts or chosen to remain at their club.
We arsenal fans should be grateful to Arteta, as he is willing to take a job when everything is against him. It is a poisoned chalice, no coach wants to take it and the major reason being the board has no ambition. They are not willing to spend, hence why no top manager is interested.
It is not about history or stuff like that, it is purely down to money. You think man city got Guardiola because they have history? No. They got him because they showed him they have ambition. We could have gotten Allegri or any other top coach if we showed ambition.
I think we arsenal fans need to appreciate Arteta and cut him some slack. He took a pay cut to join us as a player and is willing to take up the job even though it is a poisoned chalice. I admire his courage. If i was in his shoes i wouldn't have taken that job because there is a bigger chance i would fail due to an unambitious owner. His career could end before it even gets started. He really has his back against the wall and i hope he succeeds for his sake and our sakes.
We are down to arteta because there is no one else, plain and simple. Every top coach is out of the running. Nobody wants us and that is not Arteta's fault. It is the fault of the board and the owner. I think the fans should be mad at them instead.
16 May 2018 06:48:04
Punani - I have nothing against Arteta and will support him if given the role but I have reservations:
1. We have a big defensive and mentality rebuild project
2. Arteta has limited experience as a manager but talks a good game about management but a lot about attacking play rather than defence
3. Limited experience handling players like Ozil, PEA, Rambo etc
4. Limited success as a player at an international level or club level. Combined with Management experience is not a great mix
5. Limited pool of managers due to budget and set up - have we limited ourselves to Arteta by our ambition and fears of another monopoly of power situation. Well a full dilution doesn’t work either
6. Will Arteta stand up to the board and what back room staff will he bring to help him or does that need to bed in also.
{Ed025's Note - all good points SY, its a massive job for a rookie to take on and i can see it all ending in tears myself...but who knows mate..
16 May 2018 07:49:04
If Arteta gets the job and it all starts going horrible wrong, I’d expect a horrific atmosphere at the emerites and potentially a lot worse than the last few seasons have been. Fans were torn before 50/ 50, some over looking poor results, instead respecting Wengers legacy and the hardship he put into transforming this club. This time round it will all be united aimed a one person. Kronke.
16 May 2018 08:34:52
IF and it's Still a big if Artetta gets the job then my concern is he trys to get current Arsenal players to play Pep style football.
Lots of top footballers struggle as managers with lower league teams simply because they try to get them to do stuff like premier league players forgetting if they were capable of that they would actually be premier league players.
It's no good trying to paint fine lines needed for a masterpiece of art with a 3 inch paint brush you've got to adapt your picture according to the materials you have available.
16 May 2018 08:51:34
Another point that should be mentioned. Why would Arteta want to leave the best team in the league working under arguably the best manager in the world (because of money) ? If he does take the job then fair play to him! He's risking his limelight that Pep keeps giving him to go out on manage the club that he loved to play for! I must stress that it wasn't my first choice by a long shot but there must be something there. I hope!
16 May 2018 13:42:47
The only reason why arsenal are going for arteta is because the other managers have rejected them or are not available. It has nothing to do with the bullshit gazidis said about making a 'bold' choice. A bold choice is a nagelsmann or a tedesco not an arteta.
I feel sorry for arteta. The fans are against his appointment and the board won't back him. Regardless of who comes in, that arsenal team has a long list of players who are not good enough.
1.Cech-past it
2.Bellerin-technically deficient (can't cross can't defend a speed merchant)
3. Mustafi-shocking defender. How many times have you seen him fall on his arse?
4.Koscienly-literally his Achilles has become his Achilles heel
5.Xhaka-poor tackler, slow and lacks concentration
6.Ramsey-technically not good enough
7.Iwobi-They say okocha is his uncle. Seems he didn't inherit the good genes.
8.Welbeck-shocking player. How he makes into the first team i don't know.
That is 8 players who should be shipped out so we need like a whole new team. That lot we have won't even get us into the top four. Regardless of who comes in, arsenal's perennial issues will never be addressed. The biggest issue being an owner who has zero ambition.
I feel arteta can do a decent job if the fans get behind him but i am afraid regardless of who comes in, we will never win something big unless the owner spends, something i don't think will happen. We need to start a campaign to get kroenke out.
16 May 2018 14:36:23
BS! Manager at arsenal is probably the biggest job on the market. Stable finances. Solid structure. Good (under performing) team. Good backroom staff. Getting Allegri or Ancelotti is not guaranteed any success, and the board probably know it. It might be throwing money out the window and messing up a good system.
BTW, Guardiola took over Barcelona when he was 37 years after managing the Barcelona B team. Pochettino was 37 when he took over Espanyol, no experience. The fact is that we don't know much about Arteta and the type of manager he will be. The fact that Guardiola hand picked him as his assistant is a sign of quality, he is usually a picky guy.
backup information on economy!
forbes.com/teams/arsenal/
16 May 2018 15:47:37
Norgunner, the arsenal job is not as big as you think it is. Here is what we know so far. Look at all the managers we were linked with and what happened with them.
1.Allegri-opted to stay at juventus. They say he had issues with the transfer budget. out of the running as of now
2.Enrique (Don't rate him highly) -had issues with salary and transfer budget. out of the running as of now.
3.Tuchel-Went to PSG.
4.Nagelsmann-Arsenal were interested. He opted to stay in hoffenheim.
5.joachim lowe-extended his contract with the german national team
I may be missing a couple more but, when wenger stepped down, the candidates were suppossedly many but almost any top manager that we we linked with; has opted to either stay, take other job offers or not even take our job even though they were unemployed.
Forget about top tier coaches, second tier coaches like nagelsmann have rejected us, what does that say about the arsenal job? face it nobody wants it and it has everything to do with the board and the owner. They don't want to spend.