20 May 2017 19:08:04
The problem with kronk is he didn't buy arsenal to save us or because he loves arsenal football club. Fans will always be against him while the club freezes usminov out and keeps on treating the fans with disdain. Kronk now I feel whatever he does other than sell will always be the yank across the water who doesn't bring anything to this club on the football side. If uuzminov does get bored with his efforts to have a say in the club and pulls out, it will inflame the situatio even more and it doesn't bear thinking about the consequences.
{Ed002's Note - Kronke is not a "yank".}
20 May 2017 19:33:54
Isnt he ed02, I stand corrected on that. I suppose kronke gives it away a bit.
21 May 2017 03:42:34
What a choice! Borat's mate or an African scammer.
21 May 2017 06:35:33
If Kronke is wanting to see Arsenal win the PL and become a force in Europe then it would be quicker and cheaper for him if he purchased EA Sports and get them working on a new version of FIFA. Don't hold your breadth, it could be FIFA 36 before you see even a beta version.
More chance of seeing Arsenal play on Pandora in Avatar 2.
21 May 2017 07:46:47
Hi Gunner62, Kroenke won't sell becuase he doesn't have to and Arsenal has been a superb investment for him. In addition I believe his son is a director of the club. I believe if change is needed then it is to replace Wenger with a manager that has a different philosophy to him. We also need to put in place infrastructure changes, as Wenger dealt with the entire running of the club, which simply doesn't happen anymore at other top clubs.
21 May 2017 08:22:56
It's ok saying that it's been a good investment Rg but if your in it for investment then it stand to reason that you would cash in on your investment at the optimum time. Now if we don't make top 4 and he doesn't put money into it to help his investment grow then it becomes the norm not getting into top 4 the price of his asset will drop. So he has either got to pump some money into his investment or cash in at what I see as the perfect time is now.
21 May 2017 10:25:09
Hi RG mate
Kronke is first and foremost a business man and a very successful one at that and in business it's always the size of the offer that decides who gets the prize.
For Stan to sell someone is going to have to offer way above the real value of the club because he doesn't need to or even want to sell, but he wouldn't refuse a stupidly ott simply because he isn't a stupid man.
As for his sons position, they have no family connections to Arsenal or even England and it's a very big sporting world out thier with lots of opportunities to reinvest some of the billion plus elsewhere, they do have family connections in Germany so I'm sure that might be an option should they want it.
Oh and Stan the man was born just inside the south of America so technically speaking he isn't a yank any more than someone born in London but outside the sound of Bow bells isn't technically a Cockney.
21 May 2017 12:19:03
I think Germany has very strict ownership rules 62, I don't think they could go there.
{Ed002's Note - Not aimed at you Eden but I think the Arsenal fans need to be rather more respectful to their major shareholder and not show their ignorance in using derogatory terms.}
21 May 2017 13:24:20
I'm normally just a viewer and never post so first off I want to say what a fabulous site this is. Thanks for the work that goes int it from everyone, that includes users asking and edds informing. it really is fantastic.
I would like to say though that I don't exactly share your view on people being 'respectful' to the owner of the club. I think he personally shows more than a lack of respect towards the fans with the rate at which he charges them for tickets and the medicore and sub par performances and results we see every year. If anything I think it is bordering on contempt.
His other sports ventures are failing in terms of success and he is known for running clubs for profit and not for winning mentality. He shares none of the passion for the club the fans have and I think he is a disgrace to the name of Arsenal. He should not be a part of this great club and should sell to somebody who has the best interests of the club at heart. Somebody who wants to see us compete with the best in this country and europe. Kroenke has to go!
21 May 2017 14:12:21
I still maintain Kronke has never done anything to prevent Arsene from making Arsenal successful.
By continuing to support Arsene he has held Arsenal back for sure but pre this season getting rid of Arsene wouldn't have gone down well with most fans at all.
Now he has the opptunity he's never had available to him before and that's to do what's both best for Arsenal and be popular in doing it
Before now he's been in a no win situation.
21 May 2017 20:51:20
Beginning of the end for stan I feel. Wont be easy to get back into top4 esp if he sticks with arsene. Usmanov is the new hope.
21 May 2017 21:46:35
Ed002, sorry but I disagree with you massively.
Arsenal. have been in decline ever since that man got involved in the club. His sporting track record is awful as he is not a sportsman, he is a businessman. The prizes he seeks are return on his investments and not silverware sporting success.
I was singing for him to leave our club and he needs to go before the damage he does is irreparable
Respect him? Never
Loathe him? Forever
Sooner he is gone the better, yank or not!
{Ed002's Note - This is the blight of the modern day football fan. Vomiting hate in all directions.}
21 May 2017 23:01:13
Sooper the fact he won't recognise the second largest shareholder in this club, says it all for me. He won't allow him in board meeting and isn't allowed a say in the boardroom and he is arguably a bigger and better man in business than him. Speaks volumes.
21 May 2017 23:35:46
Steve that should be illegal imo. Imagine owning that large chunk of something and having no say. Its embarrassing.
22 May 2017 06:40:45
Ed002 - We often disagee, but on this issue I agree! Us fans like to blame everyone if we fail. For the record, Wenger is an excellent manager, he has the record to prove it and will be extremely difficult to replace. Whilst, I can't understand this anti-Kroenke, pro-Usmanov banter. Kroenke has supported Wenger vision for the club and hasn't interfered. He has taken very little capital out of the club, something like 2 or 3 million, until the fans rebelled and he stopped. I must remind fellow gooners that Usmanov has never said that he will spend his own funds, some time ago he suggested an issue to raise £100m for transfers. He also backs Wenger. So the difference would be minimal if he managed to wrestle the club from Kroenke. In fact, he may meddle more than Kroenke, which could prove detrimental.
{Ed002's Note - You are absolutely right that you could get a lot of meddling going forward - and Wenger would be tough to replace. Leonid Slutsky is of course in London and job hunting - will certainly know Usmanov well. Maybe Arsenal could get in before Watford do?}
22 May 2017 08:55:08
If Arsene is allowed to Stay then Stan is 100% responsible for the results that follow but if Arsene leaves he gets the chance for the first time to chose his manager and fund him as he wishes.
If Arsene goes Stan gets a fresh start I'm my opinion, if he stays then hey ho business as usual.
{Ed002's Note - What a ridiculous thing to say.}
22 May 2017 09:21:47
Why so Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - You cannot hold the largest shareholder of the club responsible for on field results. It makes zero sense and is simply a contuation of this stupidity from some Arsenal supporters.}
22 May 2017 10:30:25
What makes you think that if Usmanov takes over he will run the club any better than Kronke? What makes you think he is any less interested in financial gain than success on the pitch? What makes you so sure he will bring in all these 'marquee' signings? And why is a leading shareholder under any obligation to sell to anyone else just because fans think it's time for a change? This is a major business, not monopoly. I'm a Liverpool fan and I wish we were in the financial state Arsenal were. I'm not saying everything's rosy and I agree Wenger has made a lot of mistakes, but you have not rational reason to assume that Usmanov is going to be your knight in shining armour.
22 May 2017 11:50:00
RS I think a lot of us are going on SS sporting empire success and track record and looking ar what passion he shows fot sport and business.
22 May 2017 12:14:31
I hear you but passion and emotion belong on the pitch not in the boardroom.
22 May 2017 12:23:42
of course its guess work razor but im not a big fan of american owners. would i swap for psg owners man city owners or chelsea owners yes.
maybe in 5 year usmanov comes in and we go backwards and il hold my hands up. i doubt it tho can only see good things. stan is not a winner.
22 May 2017 12:56:32
Derby my company was took over by Americans a few years back and they are a nightmare, run completely different and totally different ideas, not a fan either. My fathers 100 year old company was took over by them as well and it shut in 6 years. Same for factory down the road. Not keen on American owners in britain.
{Ed002's Note - You certainly seem to have some xenophobia problems Steve.}
22 May 2017 13:20:12
As an American from the Northeast, 'yank' or yankee has always been kind of a funny word to me. It seems the people from other English-speaking nations will use to word to refer to Americans in a sense that can range from pejoratively to affectionately (. somewhat) . Within the United States, the word is, for the most part, used by Southerners in a pejorative sense to refer to those who live in the Northeast - having its origins in the American Civil War. The only thing I really see in common in all of these cases is that it doesn't really carry enough historical weight to cause a great deal of offense.
Changing subjects, I find it pretty funny how much people dislike Stan Kroenke. I feel like the introduction of certain Russian, Qatari and Emirati owners has warped peoples perception of what a majority stakeholders role is. Frankly, I view the relative success of clubs with these types of owners as as something that, over time, will come to be seen as more of an exception than a rule. When you give an owner with literally no experience managing football organizations that much influence in club policy you are asking for trouble.
It's interesting that people on this page tend to point to how unsuccessful Stan Kroenke's sports teams are in the US. I tend to think that most people in the US (except for the people of St. Louis) don't really have an opinion about him. A lot of his teams play in pretty small markets in terms of fan-base size, and are competing against other teams who have a variety of different advantages for a variety of different reasons. Generally speaking, unless you are a historically terrible sports franchise (Cleveland Browns, New York Jets) most pundits and fans alike aren't really going to be foaming at the mouth blaming the owner when management makes a significant majority of the decisions that affect a team's success.
As much as arsenal fans shouldn't be content with the way that the club is stagnating, it doesn't really make sense to blame everyone and anyone related to the club. I also don't really know that there's anything else Arsenal fans can do to voice their discontent other than not buying tickets (not going to happen) . I would be surprised if the club didn't notice how toxic the atmosphere at the Emirates has been, and would be equally surprised if we didn't see some changes this summer in some form. Another related point - I worry that some of our transfer targets this summer have noticed how toxic the atmosphere has been.
22 May 2017 13:22:44
Don't you think it's a bit of an overgeneralisation?
22 May 2017 13:39:10
No Ed 02 just bad experiences.
22 May 2017 13:41:45
Just to add, when i go on holiday, i'm one of the few people i know who actually enjoy Americans company. Just no keen on their business ideas.
22 May 2017 15:54:33
All Americans steve. I enjoy the company of like minded people. I understand the yank thing steve as been nothing more than a generalisation nothing sinister! People over react in this day and age. Also the abriviation of the country some people are from cause mass hysteria. It's how things are mate. Last time I checked no one ever died from been offended.
22 May 2017 16:06:41
Sano, maybe not every American. Lol.
22 May 2017 16:35:22
Every American but kronke lol. It's all right mate because I robbed from one of his establishments on Saturday! The guy is now £44 lighter. Free mario kart #dumbasdastaff lol.