05 Apr 2021 08:56:48
A half full stadium when fans return is the only something will be done about Arteta which is probably why he will start next season as Manager.
05 Apr 2021 10:07:44
I think we have to wait and see what the clubs reaction is to a 10th place season, I say 10th place season because that's what's it's been in the main.
It's illogical to believe the club are happy for us to merely stay in the premier league as the money they have invested in the team suggests they want more than that themselves.
We tend to run away with the idea it's us v the club but in truth I think club and fans have more that Unites us than separates us.
It makes no sense whatever to think the club wants the team to fail.
05 Apr 2021 11:37:20
If the club are happy with that then that’s us done surely they can be happy with that,
05 Apr 2021 11:44:55
I'm still pretty adamant it doesn't matter which manager is in charge with some of these players who don't seem to care. Personally think arteta should be given one more season with a proper transfer window.
That being said our all round performances have not been good enough and must improve.
05 Apr 2021 12:58:28
The facts are D mate under Arteta we finished in our lowest position for 25 years last season and we look all set to finish even lower this time round.
Would United City Chelsea Liverpool accept that from any manager regardless if it was Klopp Pep Ole or Tuchel, I think one record low finish would be enough at those clubs and it is unimaginable that any of them would retain a manager who made it 2 out 2 record low finishes.
It's crazy that Mikel can get away with at Arsenal what Gérard Cantona Kompany wouldn't get away with at their old clubs and Lampard didn't get away it Chelsea, why is that I wonder.
05 Apr 2021 14:25:19
I can see what you're saying 62 however those clubs mentioned I feel they should be expected to do better as they have the squad to do better plus the resources for a quick change. Just look how much lampard spent in the summer. If we sack arteta now I think results will pick up until the same players lose that new manager buzz and stop trying then we will be having the same convo.
Of course I could well be wrong but I think this is always going to be a long term change. However next season we need to start seeing improvement now many players are leaving and being replaced with hopefully hungrier players willing to play for the club.
{Ed077's Note - a few weeks ago most on here were saying the Man Utd squad isn't any better than Arsenal and now it's the squad holding Arteta back?
Also did you actually pick up much when Arteta arrived? In the past year or so since his arrival Arsenal have never really threatened top 6 places from what I recall. He has a lot to prove and not enough credit in the bank left. And Arsenal did spend a fair bit of cash in the summer too, it's not like your transfer activity has been restricted severely due to lack of funds. No team spent like Chelsea I agree but Arsenal did spend a similar sum to Man Utd and Liverpool.
05 Apr 2021 14:29:43
I worry it’s because we have an owner who doesn’t overly care where we finish or what we win, as long as the value of his booked assets increases. To be fair the salary we awarded PEA and Ozil, plus some of our signings, doesn’t quite match that plan, but I suspect once PEA goes our overall salary bill will come down substantially in the next few years. Expect to see more free transfers of has beens, youngsters and cheaper signings from less fashionable teams/ leagues. I hope I am wrong and would love to see Kronke come out and say our current position/ football is unacceptable. You are. Or react g62 in that Kronke NFL franchise did win the Superbowl a couple of years back, and I was hoping he got the taste of enjoying being a winner that would flow through to us as well. However that doesn’t seem to be the case, and actually I am no NFL expert, but I belieive the win was quite a shock, in that they are not one of the top teams. I fear that Kronke is a big believer in the Moneyball style, which may work in some American sports, but I am not sure it works quite as well in football. Plus that technique is really to try and help lower teams compete with the bigger teams. However, 5 years ago we were listed as the 6th biggest football team in the world based on revenue, just behind Bayern and in front of Juventus. Now I suspect we are more on a level with the Southamptons and West Ham’s of the world. We don’t need Moneyball, we need a club and owner that realises it belongs in the top tier of world football, and act like it.
05 Apr 2021 15:53:24
I know more about Krytonite than I do American football Epping mate but I do remember people used to always be mentioning Stans poor record of success in the NFL as proof of his lack of ambition in sport and at Arsenal, well until his team won the superbowl that is, suddenly non Stan fans failed to the NFL again as it no longer supported thier argument against Stan to talk about the NFL.
I only try to see what is there to be seen by all rather than go on other people's personal feelings about Stan.
And to be fair how do we know Stan doesn't care?
He's pumped loads of money into the team and over the last 5 seasons we've been the 3rd highest spenders in the premier league.
Before the last 5 years? Well that's debatable as some like to say the club starved Arsene of funds while others point out the club kept saying money was there if Arsene wanted it and even Arsene himself said Stan had never denied him anything he asked him for at Arsenal.
I know silent Stan isn't popular but I do think he's an easy target for those who don't want to blame whoever is the current manager at that time.
05 Apr 2021 16:45:24
Ed077 you're quite right we didn't really pick up when he took over I can't deny that. Perhaps I'm living in hope but I do feel we've seen some improvements on the way but I honestly feel regardless of who is in charge of this squad we won't go anywhere. So many just don't seem to care and whilst I do think arteta should be given one more season he should rightly so be criticised by the board as we should be expecting better.
I just hope in this next window we continue to get rid of high wage players who don't turn up to play for the badge.
{Ed077's Note - Arsenal seem to take 1 little step ahead and then go back 2 steps. And I dont think Arteta has earned much credit this season. I dont necessarily see him getting sacked at the end of the season but his position will be under serious threat next season if you dont start well.}
05 Apr 2021 16:50:54
Arteta doesn't deserve another window.
05 Apr 2021 17:12:07
Pretty sure he refinanced the club by repaying the bank loan and replacing with a lower interest personal loan with better covenants that freed up 30m to spend plus interest savings
Do they have high expectations / standards for our club - not 100% sure as the fans sacked Wenger not the board.
They never stated they expect a top four finish from Emery or Arteta
Are they more interested in running like a business Vs winning - not convinced yet
Is the squad strong enough to finish top 5 - I think so
Has the club invested a lot of money - yes
Has the club addressed our weaknesses - CD yes, CDM yes, Number 10 yes
Does Arteta have a lot to answer for due to constantly changing our line up, poor player management, failure to make decent in game changes - YES
Does Arteta have the experience and know how to manage a top club, big names and high fan expectations?
Are there alternatives - yes
So - what should the board do? Stick or twist
What we can’t do is keep flipping from Arteta knows best then sack him. I’ve not been won over since he started. If we are honest - we all hoped he could do it but no one could say he can get us top 4. That combined with - giving him 3 years makes us so below our competitors it’s a joke. No other top flight club would put up with this. If we do - we aren’t top flight and we could end up like Leeds.
05 Apr 2021 17:29:28
I think the club will let Mikel go this summer, why?
Simoly because we sacked our last 2 mangers who could only manage EL qualification but not CL qualificatio through the league.
It would be bizarre to accept 8th and 10th place and 2 out of 2 non EL qualification finishes but deem 5th or 6th from our greatest ever manager or 5th place from his successor as not good enough.
You'd have to question the club if they did retain Arteta but not Arsene or Emery.
06 Apr 2021 17:21:19
I’d definitely say the squad is stronger than the past 5 or so years - therefore surely Arteta should be outperforming the last two managers sacked due to performances.