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21 Feb 2019 23:06:02
Even Iwobi is having to tell the coach to play Özil. It's embarassing that we've stooped so low that he knows better than our own manager :)

"He's world class. We scored three goals as a result of him playing. I know if I make a run he has the vision to find me. Hopefully he can keep on playing. "

Wakey wakey Emery - we need to be strong in defence and creative going forward -let's sort this shambles out.

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22 Feb 2019 08:45:08
I think we are just going to havd to ride out this Emery storm SY mate, odds not favorable for a happy ending but like you say below it's far to early to sack him, yet.
Next October after a summer window if we are no further forward than we are now then I think it's time to recycle the old Arsene out banners and simply insert a D in front of the Arsene bit.

22 Feb 2019 09:03:43
SY, I find it so hypocritical that you would give Wenger 10 years to get it right and yet you won't give Emery 2 years to sort out a shambles.

22 Feb 2019 09:22:59
John you said before the season started that you was willing to give emery a chance and if we needed to go backwards to go forward, so be it.
You also said you expected us to finish 10th

Ffs give him a chance.

We don't want to end up like Chelsea and Utd going through managers.

22 Feb 2019 09:38:36
Malaga because we are a bigger shambles now.

22 Feb 2019 09:44:51
Mark mate Arsene was allowed to carry on regardless of any sign of changing what was so obviously wrong, he was accused of being out of touch and stubbornness, do we have to repeat that same mistake and watch Darsene simply do like wise.
If Olie simply carried on where Jose left off would he be in contention for the United job full time?
We voted for a change of fortune and in methods not simply a change of face.
Next October no sign of change then we twist rather than stick once again with a manager who can't organise motivate or galvanise our defence any better than his predecessor could.

22 Feb 2019 10:31:01
True Mark I did say I wasn't over worried about where we finished this season as I knew change would take time, but what change?
For me top 4 this season isn't the be all and end all its about rebuilding reshaping and doing things differently but so far absolutely Nothing is any different, I genuinely didn't expect Darsene to replace Arsene.
I thought Dick would improve us tactically and make us more difficult to beat as a first and most obvious priority but unfortunately he's either as naive or as incapable as Arsene was going by everything he's demonstrated so far.
At the start of the season I was more hopeful than knowledgeable but 8 months of experience has given me a much more knowledgeable rather than hopeful opinion to go on, I don't need 5 years of more of the same to know what didn't work first Arsene won't suddenly become the way to go under Darsene mate.

22 Feb 2019 10:50:15
John, I don't know the statistics, but I bet we have not a first choice back four for more than 3 games all season.
John, let me ask you this?

If we win the Europa league and finish top 4, would you be willing to give the boss some credit and say there has been an improvement.

22 Feb 2019 12:12:25
If we finish top 4 and win the Europa Mark I will by an Emery forever T shirt and Wear it during every match next season :-)
I would be stunned and delighted if we finish top 4 but based on everything I've seen and with Jose leaving I Just can't see it happening, United and Spurs now look far too strong and in my opinion will widen the gap rather than us close it, hope not but that's what looks most likely going by everything we've seen as the season has unfolded.
The europa is a cup competition so you've always got a chance but with the champions league place now top prize it's much more difficult than it was in the later stages.
In truth bar those two things happening I'd settle for a defence that isn't left totally exposed by its midfield and a defence that is organised as genuine evidence improvement.
Injury doesn't help of course it doesn't but neither does it disguise the total lack of tactical awareness and inability to make us difficult to beat, you just simply can't concede multiple chances in each and every game and hope to be competitive over a season, it's never been done yet and I very much doubt it ever will prove a successful formula.

22 Feb 2019 12:17:40
Malaga - the last 10 years of Wengers reign. That’s a reach as we won plenty trophies and competed pretty well given the stadium debt. Plus he earned some grace due to his Arsenal success. You are right to an extent but if I’ve learned my lesson - why repeat it again with my standards with Emery. He can’t manage from the touch line, he’s tactics seem poor, defence is a shambles, we are boring to watch and he can’t cope with big players. Our decisions in games are terrible and to drop Rambo and Ozil from the entire game is bonkers. I refuse t not learn and refuse to lower my standards so Emery can clear the bar. Like I have stated below - “Stating to sack him now is a bit premature ” but having high standards is the minimum. He’s got a better squad from last year and plenty time to sort the defence. He’s done or shown zero to make me feel better. We still get beat because everyone is on the halfway line, still beat by not picking up people in the box, still beat because we haven’t tracked runners back, beat because our full backs charge forward.
I don’t want him sacked but for the love of money - please don’t lower your standards and expectations of our great club. He’s got a squad that should be doing better than it is and a defence that’s easy to improve but failed miserably. Does he need a window and another season - yes. Was this window a disaster - yes. Am I asking for his head NO but I refuse to blindly say Emery is doing well because he simply isn’t and I don’t see any reason to think that will change but I will wait and see.

Where has he shown such success for you?

Should we give him 5 years because she wanted Wenger an extra 5 years - that’s not right.

22 Feb 2019 12:18:48
Another player backing Ozil

“Mesut is a fantastic player and when he is fit he is one of the most important players of the team, ” said Sokratis, who scored Arsenal’s third in the Europa League victory over Bate.

Has Emery lost the dressing room? Did he ever have it.

22 Feb 2019 12:49:58
Lowering the bar became a thing under Arsene so he could still clear it simply because of his fantastic past with the club, in my book the bar should never have been lowered for Arsene in the first place, Arsenal can't always be the best but as a mate of mine put it " losing by the odd goal isn't nice but getting totally blown away by United City Liverpool just isn't acceptable from an Arsenal team regardless of who is the manager"
It wasn't nice under Arsene and it doesn't feel any nicer under Dick either, 4 1 down at Liverpool by half time? Again?
That's not right and never ever will be right now matter where you set the bar or whoever is in charge at the time.
If Dick can't stop it any more than Arsene could why is Dick good enough but Arsene wasn't?
The truth is it shouldn't have happened in the first placd and it shouldn't be continuing to happen now.

22 Feb 2019 13:00:48
If you strip away the personalities and remove your personal feelings about the manager, forget the past and what could possibly happen in the future if all comes good and Just base your opinion solely on what you see from the team performances then what is different between Arsene 2017/ 18 and Emery 3018/ 19?
Surely it's what you see from the team performance that says what is or isn't the reality.

22 Feb 2019 17:45:33
I see an improved squad and no improvement in defence, effort, organisation or tactics. I think we are poor to watch and completely lack any spark going forward due to a lack in creativity. That’s what I see and feel.

Love to hear those who fight Emery’s corner what they see as improvement rather than excuses of time / injuries etc etc. Don’t compare to last season as that got Wenger fired. If we don’t improve what should happen to Emery. the squad is stronger so what do you see.

22 Feb 2019 17:51:42
Agreed with your ride Emery period out comment. Made a similar note below. I’ve never said Emery out. I just think he needs 2 seasons to prove he’s not the right guy.

Wenger split the fan base - Emery has too.

22 Feb 2019 18:20:46
Emery Wenger it's all the same to me, I'm not that fussed who they are but more what they deliver.
If we can't defend then we can't compete for top 4 let alone the ambitions that Spurs Man United Man city Chelsea and Liverpool all have that go beyond 4th place satisfaction.
We are a huge club but we see ourselves as outsiders for some reason where 4th place is our limit but I just don't buy that, beneath all the excuses we are Just as capable as the other big clubs but we've simply become much less expectant of our managers than the other big clubs fans are.

22 Feb 2019 18:56:24
Problem for Dick is he will not have the funds to see his vision through, does not matter who is in charge if you are not supported by the board then you have to make do with what you have. As much as i respect him and what he did not just for us but for English football, Wenger left us with an awful squad and Dick has to try and impress us all, not a job i'd fancy!

22 Feb 2019 19:06:54
Well said sparky.

22 Feb 2019 19:58:59
How much have Fenway sports or whoever funded Jurgen by?
I think Liverpool are minus 101 millions since Jurgen arrived and Arsenal have spent that on Lacasette and Pea alone plus much more on others since Jurgen took over Liverpool.
It's not what but how well you spend and then manage the players you have.
Injury and money have always been our excuses while Spurs and Liverpool have found a way of overlong both and leap frigging us at the same time.

22 Feb 2019 20:17:01
Liverpool have spent over 130mil on a GK and CB alone that's without all the other players Ox etc.

22 Feb 2019 20:45:44
But they have sold continiho and others too sparky mate and that's the difference we've not sold anyone we've let them walk away.

Liverpool and Spurs have lower wages bills and lower net spending than us but out perform us now days, people said Mourinho had spent a fortune on building the worst United squad ever but under Olie they look good enough to me.
Those that can simply do while those who can't talk of unfair playing fields and bad luck.
Ron Atkinson spent at fortune at United but didn't win a title Benitez did the same at Liverpool and Mark Hughes like wise at City.
If money was the be all and end all why do city pay Pep mega millions and not simply let the tea lady pick the team.
Money obviously makes life easier but is not the only thing that separates winners from loses or we would be ahead of Spurs and Liverpool still now.

22 Feb 2019 23:09:55
I can't argue with that mate, we are stuck in a loop of wanting top players but offering money that won't buy them. Look at the Suarez situation with 40mil plus 1, we make ourselves look desperate and clubs see it and rinse us. We have a squad mainly of players that were bought because they might turn out ok or worse because they were free.

There is a reason they are on a free and we have become a welcome home for average at best because of it. If the board have no drive for the club to compete at the top then it will continue until the revenue drops week in week out. Whilst they are selling over priced season tickets and charging crazy ticket prices that we are all paying they won't and have no reason to change.

22 Feb 2019 23:40:34
Torreira and Guendouzi are worth more now than we paid for them and that's how we need to buy in the future, that's the way forward in my opinion Sparky mate, Xhaka and Mustafi where we lose money need to be a rarity rather than the rule.
If we'd got Suarez for 40, million and £1 we'd have lost him on a free while Liverpool got 70 million, we'd have forced Courtinho and Bale to see our there contracts while Liverpool and Spurs got 140 and 80 millions respectively.
Mismanagement of assets is a bigger problem that investment in my opinion.
We complian while about while other clubs find solutions to financial inequality as both Liverpool and Spurs have and do.



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