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09 Sep 2018 12:04:28
I saw a post earlier regarding Wilf Zaha, and the winger position. and it got me thinking about other possibilities. I'd like to see us take a gamble on Demarai Gray, a young English player to help with homegrown quota's in Europe too and has a lot of potential imo. His direct dribbling ability at pace is what we need outwide, a step up to a bigger club, training with better players and better coaches to help polish the rough edges of final product, and we could have a diamond. problem same as Zaha being would it cost too much for our valuations?

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09 Sep 2018 16:43:25
I think it's a huge problem that the fees asked for home grown players especially English home grown players are completely disproportionate compared to what you can get for your money abroad.
Harry Maguire was quoted at 70 million in the summer on the basis of a decent season and world cup, now if he'd played in France last season and was representing France in the world cup instead of England his transfer fee would be almost halfed at around 40 million.
This over valuation hurts English players getting on and of course England football team as fewer players get the chance at top level.
When Arsene first came to Arsenal he wanted young pretty raw Darren Edie but Norwich was asking 7 millions which was huge back then for a kid with potential so Arsene switched his attention to the well established Mark Overmars for exactly the same fee.
It's a problem because of the selling clubs want as much as they can get for their players from bigger clubs but it's a catch 22 situation that needs the fa clubs and players union to get together to sort out a way of making it more favorable go English without the inflated price tag for the privilege.

09 Sep 2018 20:34:24
I think we witnessed last night how far young English players are behind our fellow europeans and the talented south American players. Technically, our players are light years behind. Its about time the price of English talent was brought in to line. English players are way way inflated. Totally disproportionate to reality.

10 Sep 2018 09:26:59
An open and honest debate is needed to find a solution to promote our own players in a way that makes them a good option rather than an expensive necessity.
The home grown rule hasn't worked despite being well intended if anything it's made things worse.
If you have an honest debate that takes into consideration all parties then you have to see the selling clubs point of view too.
James Maddison was Norwich prize asset so obviously they wanted the most they could get for him but 24 million for a lad with championship experience only is very expensive compared to Torreira who has played in a world cup for 26 million.
Possibly a lower initial fee that increases with each premier league start would be a way of getting bigger clubs to take a punt on English players where someone like James Maddison costs only 10 millions initially but could end up being worth 70 or 80 millions to the likes of Norwich eventually but only if really successful at his new club.
Lower the risk for the buying club but increase the rewards for the selling clubs but only for the players that deliver at a higher level on regular basis and possibly set the players pay packet on a similar rising scale too where 100k plus a week is well possible but only after 70 premier league starts within a 2 to 3 window, would that help?
Can't help but think Jack and Theo might have been helped by something like that where they had to deliver first to receive the goodies apposed to having them guaranteed at a very early age.

10 Sep 2018 13:58:38
Its hard because we don't know football employment law. But the term home grown, doesn't really mean home grown. For me all prem league teams should have to play one player who has been at the club from 16 years old and under 21 and the same for one player under 23, not necessarily the same players but british. The player also, should not have been involved in a club transfer. If the player had been transfered, he would not be considered home grown. Outside the prem, the rule would not apply. Not ground braking but a start. That would mean, plenty of british young players would be playing premier league football.

10 Sep 2018 15:32:17
The problem is Steve and to be fair to Arsene he warned the fa of this when they first introduced the home grown rule, forcing clubs to play British doesn't raise the standard of the player only make the best of the compulsory bunch extremely expensive.
The talent is there I'm just not sure the hunger is once they get a decent contract in the reserves.
Start them league one and two wages with increases for every 10 premier league starts only reaching the 500k plus bracket after 100 starts or something along those lines.
At 24/ 25 with a good apprenticeship behind then they are far better able to deal with fantastic wages than at 18 or 19 when it's far too much far too soon for most to possible cope with.

10 Sep 2018 16:18:15
My point gunner is, all prem clubs would have to play two "home grown" players every game and if a british player is transfered, he then would not be home grown, so he would be equal in those terms as a foreign player. So his price has no reason to be inflated. It may then bring the price into line and make sure proper home grown players play every week in the prem. If they are then transfered, their price would then reflect their ability, in relation to other players.

10 Sep 2018 20:20:04
I'm not really a fan of positive discrimination in any way but in stead I prefer everyone to have fair and equal opportunities to achieve all they wish to achieve
Obviously international football is different because each nation has to pick from who is eligible to play for them so it's up to each country to do all it can to encourage it's players to be the best they can be.
Forcing clubs to pick so many English players hasn't and won't increase their ability but somehow we have to make it favorable rather than compulsory for clubs to produce players for the national team.
Maybe 5 bonus points for each of the top 10 and bottom 10 clubs that play the most English players for 70 plus minutes the most times that season.
It could take mean the difference between champions league or Europa league football and relegation and survival but also leave clubs with a choice.

11 Sep 2018 13:40:27
Perhaps another option is to get away from the whole limited club option if you want to play for England. Players seem to feel the need to play at the big clubs where, as we can see, they won't get a regular game. Perhaps if young english players saw more of their type being picked for England, despite the fact they they play for clubs such as Burnley, Southampton and even Norwich, maybe they would be encouraged to stay and grow within their own club rather than jumping straight to a big club too early.
Also though, i think another main issue that needs addressing is the whole way we go about coaching in schools and at youth level in this country. I pick on coaching as I see absolutely no reason why english youngsters, on average, should be any better or worse than their European counterparts, and yet what we continue to see is that they are worse, if based on looking at their representation in Premier League clubs first XI's. This is already different to other sports, where England either matches other countries (cricket, Rugby etc) , or punches well above its weight (athletics) . Therefore are they being coached correctly from an early age? I ask this as a friend told me a story about a friend of his, who has his coaching badges, and who trains/ coaches youth football in England. Evidently he got invited to go over to Holland to see/ participate coaching at a similar level and age. As the game got underway he started running up and down the touchline barking orders and advising technique to individuals. At the end of the match the Dutch coaches were evidently horrified at his attempt at coaching. They were completely baffled why a coach would still be micro managing children of this age how to control, pass and play, something the coaches said they had learned to do many, many years previous, and even if not, its a bit late now. They saw their coaching role so differently, more as supplying overall advice, for example, if the winger struggled to beat the full back, they would talk and work with that winger with techniques and suggestions on how he could change that situation, from a physical positional awareness and from a psychology perspective. This seems to be at a completely different level to us, and therefore I wonder if this needs to be addressed in this country?



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