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07 Aug 2018 09:10:05
whats your lads take on kronke getting full control? am an everton fan but know a few gunners and there not happy one bit.

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07 Aug 2018 09:35:05
Does it make any difference? Will he be any more powerful than he already is?

07 Aug 2018 09:37:55
One word Johny: Disaster.

07 Aug 2018 09:41:23
Time will tell, although Kronke has run the cub reasonably well to date. Whilst the fans seem to have this misconception that Usmanov would have dipped into his own pockets to finance player purchases, which was far from the truth. Some time ago he simply proposed a spend of £100m on players, financed by the fans who would in effect lend the club the money at zero interest, which put the club into debt.

07 Aug 2018 10:10:17
As we stand Stan can do as he likes at Arsenal because he has overall control of the club current shareholders could disagree with him to the hilt but are powerless to prevent him doing anything and everything he wishes with the club as we stand, so what will change once he owns the club 100%?
Unless there is Something I don't understand overall control is overall control no matter by what margin you have it much like 1 point more than anyone else makes you champions every bit as much as 20 points more than anyone else makes you champions.

07 Aug 2018 10:20:28
Not much the AST can do if Usmanov is willing to sell to a already majority holder. The question is Stan just going to use Arsenal as a dumping ground for debt security or is really going to invest for success. I think there is always a potnetial pitfall with having just one man in total control and think there should be some governing body PL nad FA rules in place so that fans through supporters trust have at least 30% Share as that is the critcal amount you need to block any major changes that are a determent to the club.

07 Aug 2018 10:20:46
There is a slight difference G62, in that the club was still a listed company, with other shareholders and a legal requirements to produce accounts etc. Yes, as the effective controller of the company (by virtue of his 67% shareholding) Stan could have got the club to pay him money from the clubs finances, such as a dividend, but he would also have had to pay the other shareholders at the same rate, and it would have had to be declared in the accounts, so we could all see it. Stan will now de-list the company and can do what he wants without it being made public (still within the laws of the land course) . Yes, Stan has not abused his position so far, but it will become harder to ensure he doesn't going forward.

07 Aug 2018 10:31:58
Thanks Epping mate i didn't know all that so yes I see it could make a difference then.

07 Aug 2018 11:05:41
If i were to look at this in a more positive light, Stan has never used his stake (or future earnings from) as any kind of collateral for further loans, and has made it clear that the money being borrowed to fund this full takeover is also not leveraged from his actual future ownership. Also, in recent times, with his son appearing to be closer to the running of the club, their does appear to be some desire to get success for the the club? Maybe Kronke could follow up the takeover with a nice additional sponsorship deal giving the club a few legitimate pounds to spend in the transfer market to help alleviate some fears? Also, for all those who wanted Usmanov in control, we will soon see what he is capable of, as i am sure he will go out and take control of some other team? Maybe Everton with his pal, what would you think of that Ed025?

{Ed025's Note - he would be very welcome im sure epping, with us hopefully moving to a new stadium in the near future investment will be a key factor and with him already owning our finch farm facility it would seem a natural progression mate..

07 Aug 2018 11:50:23
It was a terrible day for arsenal when kronk took control and it will be a disasterous day when he assumes full ownership. He isn't in it for sport. American owners of english companies have terrible records, it is all about money and nothing else matters.

{Ed025's Note - FSG at liverpool dont seem to be doing so bad steve..

07 Aug 2018 12:28:09
Lets hope its not a Cadburys scenario Steve, as let's be honest, its gone to the Dogs under American control, which is not surprising after you try american made chocolate, which seems to smell of sick!

07 Aug 2018 12:37:17
Steve you need to let this American thing go mate, treat people as individuals and companies as you find them regardless of what nationality they are.
Good and bad in all Steve mate.

07 Aug 2018 13:15:37
Like I've explained before, I've had and i am having experience with American owners and they are bad news.

{Ed002's Note - So you brand all American business owners the same? Smacks of xenophobia and ignorance.}

07 Aug 2018 13:45:03
I wonder how many people across the world feel that same way about British companies Steve mate? You are writing a whole nation off because of the personal bad experience of you amd your dad, that can't be the right or healthy thing to do mate.
All companies are in it for the money mate but some take different approach to others.
Some think a happy workforce is a good workforce while others take a 0 hours contract use as you like approach, it's not nationality but morality that separates them mate.

07 Aug 2018 13:52:01
No ed02, i say it because I've and am wittnessing sorrow they cause people. I have family and friends lives ruined by american owners coming in and ruining their lives and closing and running down previously great businesses. i'm not ignorant at all just scarred.

{Ed002's Note - Pitiful to right off an entire nation because of some bad experince - it is certainly an ignorant thing to do.}

07 Aug 2018 14:28:18
Wasn't Mike Ashley held to account recently for the way sports direct treat their staff, I've never done it but I would imagine if you google The best companies to work then find out who owned them you'd see a complete mix of countries and the same if you searched the worst companies too.
As for Stan I don't think it's his nationality that makes him good or bad for Arsenal but the way he runs the club.

07 Aug 2018 14:52:40
I’m sure he can’t give a single, specific example of an American company ruining a once thriving English business. Aside from Arsenal of course lol!

07 Aug 2018 15:01:36
Ed 02, I've had this conversation before, its not american people i have a problem with, its the way they run english businesses, from a personal experience. i'm not ignorant, thank you very much and neither is my ruined family lives.

{Ed001's Note - you are ignorant because you are claiming a whole nation of people are all the same, they are not. Racism pure and simple.}

07 Aug 2018 15:29:38
Rich Americans are very much right wing pure captalists by nature more so than brits. Very much dog eat dog in the american business world, will always asset strip to make money. Not saying Britain is not the same there are knob bosses all over the place that don't give a rats arse for their workforce. There is however a bit more financial regulation and governemnet protection of things over here especially with the stock market.

{Ed001's Note - and yet lots of extremely rich capitalist Americans are philanthropists.... Utter bigoted nonsense to judge a whole countries people out of pure ignorance.}

07 Aug 2018 15:42:36
Let’s wait and see.

07 Aug 2018 16:00:29
If i was going to find a reason to judge America/ all Americans negatively at the moment i don't need to worry about corporations versus philanthropists, I just need to see the total waste of human skin they voted as president, which i find extremely disappointing seeing as i always find Americans as the most polite and friendly of people.

07 Aug 2018 16:00:46
How can you possibly judge anyone on their nationality and aren't all rich people capitalist in one way or another? Surely they got rich by capitalising on an opportunity they spotted somewhere along the line?
Doesn't Bill Gates give billions to charity? Yet Boris charge thousands for a game of tennis with him :-)

07 Aug 2018 15:23:38
You really have no idea of my circumstances and it most definitely isn't any kind of racism. Its through bad experiences.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't matter what the circumstances are, you are now pre-judging others based on that, it is no excuse for bigotry.}

07 Aug 2018 17:00:45
You know what I hate about Americans? Their use of the word soccer! I mean seriously, do they do this just to wind me up?

{Ed002's Note - "Hate" is a pretty nastly and ugly word and I don't like being hated personally. But if that is what you want, I will let the true ignorance persist.}

07 Aug 2018 17:34:44
G62 if your going down that route then look into the life of Warren Buffett. On the face of it you could say he is just an evil financier but look under the surface and he is the most amazing man. In fact i believe he has contributed more cash to the Gates foundation than the Gates themselves.

07 Aug 2018 18:29:27
Gunner, the reply to your original question. Yes he will have more power and if he is the sole owner, he can do anything he likes, without question. It doent bear thinking about, what he could do. He doesn't have to have board meetings or let anyone at the club know his plans financially.

07 Aug 2018 19:46:59
Maybe mate, personally I think once you have enough power where you don't need anyone else's agreement on anything you like then it becomes irelevant by how much.

07 Aug 2018 20:41:55
He then becomes like a dictator Gunner, which he isn't at the moment.

07 Aug 2018 21:37:31
Maybe Stan finds it more interesting to invest in a company that is 95% his, and not 67%.

08 Aug 2018 00:46:04
Ed02, that was a joke, sorry if it wasn't obvious.

{Ed002's Note - hardly a joke.

08 Aug 2018 06:04:19
G62 if you googled the best companies to work for, you might find Google top of the list! 😂 I've seen quite a few articles saying they treat their workers well and have a great work environment, but still if you find them by googeling them, a bit of you wonders about the authenticity! Shame you can't ask jeeves any more because they killed him! 😂.

08 Aug 2018 07:00:50
Ed25 usmanov being a major shareholder of arsenal and owning a competing clubs facility, was that not a conflict of interest?

{Ed025's Note - he owns the naming rights to finch farm eden so i dont think that counts as an asset myself mate, i actually thought he owned the gaff but after further investigation it appears he stopped short of that..

08 Aug 2018 23:54:07
Would be great for Everton and they would no doubt in time start finishing above us

I dreamt of an usmanov take over here just wasn't meant to be we are stuck with that tool I'm afriad. I guess we will always look to the moment the majority share holders chose Stan over usmanov : (.







 

 

 
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