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11 Jun 2018 23:22:51
Hello again to everyone, also excited to see Iwobi post World Cup with a meticulous manager like emery guiding him. Got fantastic goal scoring production out of players like mata and silva (granted their incredibly gifted) for Valencia and I think Iwobi could develop into an excellent wide 10. He looked excellent against England for Nigeria and despite getting slated at certain points last season I believe he has real potential. Bold prediction but I think he could force mhikhitaryan out the starting 11 over the course of next season. Opinions?

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12 Jun 2018 05:30:09
Just a big WOW! .

12 Jun 2018 05:51:48
Sorry Bergkamp but have to say an even bigger WOW.

12 Jun 2018 07:46:45
There are players such as Iwobi and Xhaka that will no doubt improve under Emery. There are others such as Chambers, Jenkinson and Akpom, that are simply not good enough. Proof of the pudding is the fact that Iwobi and Xhaka are regularly selcted and play well for their international teams.

12 Jun 2018 08:17:14
Couldn't agree more RG. Iwobi is another interesting prospect to see grow under Emery. He's another play that has come of the gates flying and then be reeled in by Wenger and the typical Arsenal regime. " Don't shoot! " "Don't try anything other than pass and move! " is pretty much what they live by. It's funny how our stuffing against Burnley consisted of 2 goals from the edge of the box with Iwobi being one of the goalscorers. Kolasinac was the other and they were both brilliant finishes. We shouldn't write them off just yet with a new coach who will give them some freedom to show their individuality.

12 Jun 2018 08:28:44
Would Iwobi or Xhaka be in the England squad?
This is pure wishful thinking first some but not others, Chambers did very well when he fist arrived and had 7 or 8 good games but has struggled ever since while Xhaka and Iwobi have never had a run of good games.
Nothing wrong with hoping Emery might turn players who have struggled under Arsene around but these wild predictions of greatness are based purely on personal hopes and dreams rather than proven footballing ability.
We can't base our new start on Iwobi Xhaka coming good or Maitland Niles being the one who comes good from out youths, that's just fingers crossed wishful thinking and if we were going to do that we may have well stick by Arsene for another decade.

12 Jun 2018 08:53:17
Never once have I said rely on them coming good, all I'm saying is that we shouldn't be too hasty to send them all out the door when we have other players that have barely put on an Arsenal shirt, (because they truly aren't good enough) that are still at the club. Evidently they have footballing ability or they wouldn't be at Arsenal at all surely? Yes we need a winger but Iwobi is still young and has the time to develop with a new coach and a player to take note from. Like is aid, squad depth is key is getting rid of the potentials is bad idea 100%. let's say we get rid of Iwobi and bring in Gelson Martins. Okay that's good but then we still only have 1 winger? A typical Arsenal would play Aubameyang out there but why play players out of position? Why not have Martins and Iwobi as backup? You need rotation in the form of players who actually play in that position, simple.

12 Jun 2018 10:03:48
I'm happy if Dick wants to give them a chance and I've said that many time but it's the trying to use stats and international caps as grounds to make Iwobi and Xhaka look better than what everyone has seen from them that I find difficult.
Iwobi Xhaka Mustafi Chambers all get slatted almost every time they play by most Arsenal fans 99% of neutrals and 100% of pundits simply because of what people see from them almost every time they play.
I see nothing to suggest that Iwobi and Xhaka are more worthy than Chambers of a second chance because all have been extremely poor for us so far.
And the international argument is ridiculous because by that measure a player who gets into the Gibraltar or San Marino team is better than Wilshere or Theo because they can't get into the England team.
All I'm sayng is let's accept what we and everyone has seem with our own 2 eyes for the last couple of seasons from these players and hope there is better to come from them all under Dick but not try and pretend they haven't all been pretty poor so far because that just isn't real.

12 Jun 2018 11:28:58
They have been poor and I totally agree with you mate! However, what do you expect when they're played in either the wrong position or aren't coached to their strengths, whilst also working to improve their weaknesses? Xhaka has had it tough being relied on to play in a position that he isn't comfortable with but wants to play for Arsenal and do his best. Agree he hasn't been brilliant but I want to see him play in the right position with the right players around him :)

12 Jun 2018 12:58:28
I have to say in Iwobi's defense, Ok I haven't got much! However in Wengers last few games, because he played both Auby and Lacca together, i noticed that Iwobi was still played but in a seemingly more deeper role, in which i thought he showed more potential? He is not exactly small, fairly muscular, and can pass, so with a bit of coaching to put himself about a bit more, could he become more of a CM? I mean he can't be any worse in the CM role than Xhaka can he?

12 Jun 2018 13:28:14
This summer and next season will answer lots of questions we've all asked like was it Arsene or the players he signed that wasn't upto it? Was it the club or Arsene that wouldn't spend?
This is a fresh start for everyone from Ozil to Iwobi and I think we should back Dicks judgement and whoever he retains deserves another chance simply because everything is different now.
Obviously all new signings come in with the advantage of no past baggage in an Arsenal shirt while the likes of Iwobi Xhaka Mustafi Chambers are all going to have to work really hard just to get back to where they started with not just Arsenal fans but neutrals and pundits alike, if one of those 4 emerges as a good player for Arsenal I will very pleasantly surprised 2 would be unbelievably brilliant 3 would be pushing the realms of reasonable expectations while all 4 coming good would leave Arsene looking like a much much poorer coach than anyone had previously thought he was even his biggest critics.
Time will tell on all of course but we can't still be debating those 4 next summer too, it has to be next season or never for them all as it really is time for our players to shape up or ship out.

12 Jun 2018 13:36:28
I would agree with that Epping Iwobi wasn't awful by his own standards in those last couple of games but personally I put that down to the players being on the beach both ours and the Burnley and Huddersfield players.
September to April Iwobi and co all looked well out of their depth in the premier league against the best and worst teams in the league.

12 Jun 2018 14:27:35
Players and teams can look very different under different managers, played in different positions and using different tactics. Everton and Palace started last season dreadfully, but looked totally different under replacement managers. Alexis Sanchez looks a shadow of the player he was at Arsenal.
For a decade players at Arsenal have rarely improved and in many cases have actually gone backwards. Chambers arrived as a fine young RB and has been converted into an unbelievably average CB.
Iwobi and Xhaka have talent and under Emery they may well come good.

12 Jun 2018 15:49:34
Let's just not be talking about how good they could be in another 5 years time as we were Theo Ox Jack Gibbs Betner and Ramsey or we will get exactly the same outcome over 38 games per season.

12 Jun 2018 18:46:11
I don't think Iwobi will make it as long as he's got a hole in his jacksy but he is still young. he's got a modecum of ability, his problem is between the ears. He lacks a footballing brain.

12 Jun 2018 21:33:42
He can pick a pass at times Steve and maybe just maybe if he works hard in training listens to what he's taught he could prove us wrong yet, I wouldn't be wiling to bet on it myself but it's not impossible just highly unlikely he will become a player.

12 Jun 2018 21:48:49
Gunner he would be great at newcastle, Crystal palace, west brom etc but not at the top of the prem.

12 Jun 2018 22:36:07
I can’t even say wow as he is so bad it’s unbelievable.



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