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23 Apr 2018 09:57:05
Hey Eds,
How do you think these preffered options correspond with our will to play attractive footall? Neither Simeone nor Allegri seem like they can continue our style of play.

Also, I would like to understand what is so specific about managing club like Arsenal compared to those sides by Nagelsmann or Tedesco.

Thanks for great info you are providing!

{Ed002's Note - The club are looking for the best person for the job. He needs to carry on meeting the values the club has; he needs relevant experience; he needs to command the respect of the players and be able to work with a Director of Football and the board; he needs to be able to communicate well with the media etc.. Arsenal are a large club with considerable tradition that has been playing at the highest level in the English Premier League and in the Champions League. Nagelsmann has been coaching for 18 months after getting the job at Hoffenheim due to the ill health of his predecessor - his future is reasonably well mapped out already and it doesn't include Arsenal. Tedesco has been coaching for around a year in total and has been coaching at Schalke for 9 months - and overachieving. You cannot seriously think Arsenal would consider him as a viable option.}

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23 Apr 2018 11:09:57
You explain perfectly why Nagelsmann or Tedesco wouldn't suit us, yet. I would love to hear your opinion on the first part or this question, "
How do you think these preferred options correspond with our will to play attractive football? Neither Simeone nor Allegri seem like they can continue our style of play. " Thanks in advance. :)

{Ed002's Note - The club want success and Simeone, who I have explained can be discounted, has made Atletico Madrid very successful on a restricted budget based on building a strong defence - which was the way Arsenal bult their success in the Premier League. This doesn't mean that there are no flair players as the likes of Griezmann have done well under him. It is similar with Allegri who has followed the Italian tradition of building from a strong defence - but they still have the likes of Cuadrado and Dybala providing a certain amount of flair.}

23 Apr 2018 12:59:55
Most people who say they want allegri don't even watch Serie A i am sure. They just hear others say he is this and that and they jump on the bandwagon. Allegri's football is reactionary always. He does not advocate for possession based soccer but he is good at what he does. His in-game tactics are really good. He is the kind of coach you would need if you have a very good squad but only need motivation and sense of purpose. But do we have a good squad?

Absolutely not. We have the fourth or fifth best squad in the premier league. Would allegri transform us into title challengers? Absolutely not uness we spend like 300 million pounds. His football is very reactionary and it backfires at times like last night against napoli. I watched the entire game and juventus didn't have a single shot on target and they were the home team! Do we want that kind of coach at Arsenal? He can get away with it in serie A because juventus have more quality than anybody else but doubt he will cracak it in the premie league.

Nagelsmann and tedesco on the other hand have over achieved while playing attractive football. They have proven they can do more with less so what do you think they can achieve with arsenal? a club with better spending power than schalke or hoffenheim. Experience shouldn't be used to discount against them because the little time they were in management they have done incredible things. I would pick any of them against the names being thrown around.

23 Apr 2018 14:11:18
I watch serie a, don’t understand the ins and outs of coaching, but as prospects go it’s very understandable that they are far too inexperienced for the board to consider at this point in their career, I have watched bundaliga a lot this year and agree both nagglesman and Tedesco could well be great coaches at the top level. But I think the board will pick someone who isn’t going to be a risk. Just looking at the general opinion across this site alone suggests that it would be a difficult sell and with how the vast majority of arsenal fans are feeling the next appointment has to been seen as sensible.

23 Apr 2018 15:57:08
The reason why i don't mind any of them is because we are in a terrible state. We are different from united when fergie left in the sense that united won the title when fergie left while we are going to finish sixth. In short, we have nothing to lose so we might as well go for a young bright manager who will bring in youth and build a team for the long term even if that takes a couple of seasons and tedesco and nagelsmann can do better than ancelotti and allegri in that aspect. that is my arguement. I wouldn't even mind an ex player too. Viera and Arteta wouldn't be bad.

We don't have much to lose because we aren't accustomed to winning like united were under fergie. Infact we have never even won the champions league so what we need is a coach with a long term vision that will transform us into a european super power. I was amazed by some posters here who were saying tuchel wasn't good enough to coach arsenal and i was insisting he was the best coach available. Now he is off to PSG. He is good enough for PSG but not for arsenal? Some of the posters here seem to know little about football.

23 Apr 2018 16:30:46
Punani, a little advise. don't tell people they know nothing about football, you won't get much respect. Your opinion is your opinion on football, their opinion is their opinion. Opinion is totally different to actually knowing anything. You may not agree with them but they don't know anything more or less than you and football is about opinion, not what you or anyone says is knowledge. I don't agree with a lot you say but that's your opinion, i don't think you are thick, i just agree or not agree.

23 Apr 2018 16:37:44
Plus punani, tuchel, if he goes to psg does not mean to say he is going to take them any further than the current manager. That fact is for the future, he may take over the world but he may end up working in mac donalds.

23 Apr 2018 16:39:40
I really don’t understand your getting at “some” of the supporters having little knowledge on football and I don’t know what point your trying to argue? Nagglesmen and Tedesco both look exciting prospects, but they won’t be considered by arsenal and most certainly won’t be appointed, candidates who will be considered by the board and have a good chance of the role have been mentioned by “some” of the clueless posters. So if nagglesmen, Tedesco or even tuchel don’t get the Arsenal job then it would appear that it is you who knows little about football. Now I like most on here are not splitting hairs over the quality of nagglesmen or Tedesco. You have your opinion and it’s not a bad one and other people have their opinions but to start saying that other people know little about football maybe a little introduction to yourself about what it is you have done for us to consider your opinion as one to take seriously.
Have you been around the coaches you are championing? Have you seen training sessions? Have you been to a wealth of games live in different leagues around Europe. Have you been doing all of the above for many years? Now I’m not been funny but I would love to hear it. Because the people who will be choosing our next coach will have done the above and then some.

Just a little something for you to think about 👍🏻.

23 Apr 2018 16:52:53
Punani mate we have to try and weight up our best options for the next 2 or 3 years and the manager we feel can get us back in decent shape soonest.
I don't think it's possible for anyone to have us challenging for a title next season but much more hard working disciplines and organised is an absolute must next season from who ever comes in mate.
Personally I don't think it's a job for a rookie manager because although people don't expect titles next season they absolutely will Want to see improvement and whoever comes in will need experience to not only cope with the job in hand but the flack that will come if we struggle again next season.
This is no walk in the park formality job peole will only accept 6th next season if they can see real progress happening in the teams performances each week.

23 Apr 2018 17:27:39
Schalke and Hoffenheim finished 22 and 29pts behind Munich, Schalke lost to them home and away and Munich beat Hoffenheim 5-2 but lost the return game.

So what is it that makes them so special, it’s like others have said, it’s simply an opinion from yourself that won’t end up with either in charge of Arsenal as they are way to inexperienced and this board are not that brave.

Allegri for all his supposed faults has made the semi final of the Champions League 2 years running and but for a somewhat contentious penalty could be in the final.

I’ve no idea who the board will select but it’s a change we wanted to just chill Punani and let’s see what happens.

23 Apr 2018 18:49:53
We need to get back to basics. Allegri will do that.

23 Apr 2018 18:50:05
I agree 100% Stoner, wait and see who we get then back him 100% until he gives you prolonged reason not to so anymore, no matter who he is.

23 Apr 2018 18:56:01
Allegri wouldn't be bad but i don't like his philisophy. Does not play attacking football, not a big fan of the youth but is tactically good though he gets it wrong on occasions but no coach is perfect but he certainly is miles better than some of the coaches mentioned in the papers.

, Spalleti described allegri as the best italian coach when it comes to match preparation and in-game tactics. i am not sure about the match prepartion part but when it comes to in-game tactics Allegri is the best in the world. I just think he is suited to a team with a well established strong squad not one that needs to undergo rebuilding and relies on youth.


The Worst we can get is Brendan rodgers and enrique in my opinion. Both are terrible managers. I can't forgot the disaster enrique was at Roma. He might have won the treble but he nearly got sacked in his first season at Barcelona because he had problems with the big players in the team. He is an abrasive character. About brendan rodgers everyone is oppossed to him i don't need to say more lol.

23 Apr 2018 18:58:54
And my apologies if i offended any poster here with my opinions. I tend to get strong with my opinions and forget my manner at times at times but disregard them i have been wrong many times.

23 Apr 2018 19:15:30
Accepted punani, we all get excited. None of us are perfect. We are all on here with the same passion. For Arsenal football club.

23 Apr 2018 19:33:50
Good on ya Punani mate, top man for that Geeza.

23 Apr 2018 21:59:33
if i was passionate about my girlfriend as i am about arsenal she wouldn't have left me lol.

23 Apr 2018 21:59:38
Steve you know nothing. I love Punani’s opinions and fresh thinking.

Punani - thanks for the education and substance behind your opinions. It’s easy to just state a name with little support outside of what you’ve read on line rather than watched etc.

😉.

23 Apr 2018 22:09:37
Not a problem punani! I do like your choices but think it’s a bit too soon . but I could well be wrong.

23 Apr 2018 22:12:03
Sky reporting that Arteta is the favorite. What do you think steve? I certainly wouldn't mind. Think pochettino said that Arteta would make a great coach and he has been pep's under-study. Apparently he is the one who did the video analysis for city this season and improved their possession game. Am not sure if that is enough to get him the arsenal job though.

People always say barcelona took a chance on guardiola but i read somewhere that when guardiola was doing the interview he impressed the Barcelona board and gave them his vision and he told them they would win everything at the end of the season. They were so impressed they gave him the job apparently. Maybe arteta already did an interview and impressed gazidis who knows.

23 Apr 2018 22:32:00
Punani, i have already stated arteta has done nothing to warrant giving him a big job at arsenal before many other icons. I wasnt a fan of his in an arsenal shirt and i am sure its just another name thrown in there. This club does not need to give a manager with L plates a job. Petential disaster. I can't see how he would sort out all the obvious problems.

23 Apr 2018 22:33:18
Sy, like a lot of others on here, if i knew anything i would be dangerous.

23 Apr 2018 22:37:24
Big risk.

23 Apr 2018 22:44:54
It must be a wind up by sky, Gazidis said "arsenal had to be brave", not stupid.

23 Apr 2018 22:52:17
And sy, it wasnt his opinions that was the problem, if you bother to read the post properly.







 

 

 
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