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12 Feb 2018 22:23:03
I will be careful how i word this as not to upset anyone, but is Jamie Carragher correct in calling us cowards and saying we are going backwards? Not very respectful i think.

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12 Feb 2018 23:57:29
The cowards bit is bit strong but going backwards? Hard to argue with that.

13 Feb 2018 00:06:29
Not sure about cowards. We certainly don’t want to compete financially with the big boys so will never truly compete. If we can’t afford Evans then we should give up now.
We are certainly standing still. The squad has weaknesses that need addressing. We either attack and leave our defence exposed or try to poorly defend with a blunt attack
Balance is all wrong.

13 Feb 2018 00:23:42
Gunner, while i accept we have regressed, to call fellow professionals cowards is lower than low. S##t but not cowards.

13 Feb 2018 06:28:44
Firstly Carragher should be removed from his position until he learns to speak. Even my scouse mates think his accent is absurd!
I do not think our players are cowards. I believe that Wenger post 2006 changed from a fluid 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 with tall CB's and DM's into a team with shorter CB's (except Mertesacker! ) and utilising technical players as DM's, which hasn't worked and offers little protection to the back four. I don't believe we have gone backwards as much as people think. At the start of Wenger's time at the club, the only competition was from Man U. Since then clubs have emerged wifi has are financially doped; such as Chellsea and Man City. Liverpool and the Toot haven't won anything for many seasons, whilst Leicseter was a one 0ff. Over the last 4 seasons, only 2 or 3 clubs have won more than us and even this season we have a cup final. The frustrating thing is that Wenger has chosen not to spend and improve the team, with two windows running with a net spend of zero. If we changed manager and brought in a couple of DM's and CB's, there is no reason whey we can't compete again.

13 Feb 2018 07:50:58
The thing is RG caras voice is his tv voice. I’ve seen people on tv that are from my way and they have somehow lost the accent. It’s a bit like a telephone voice.

13 Feb 2018 09:18:30
Not having heard what he said it's difficult to say but reading in between the lines it sounds like poor terminology more than anything else.
Cowards is to strong by far but if he means lack of fight effort determination and commitment then he's only repeating what many of us and most of the rest of football have been saying for years.
For many years under Arsene the first thing peole thought of when talking of Arsenal was beautiful exiting fantastic to watch football, but the last few years when people think of Arsenal they now think lack of ambition money grabbing by the club and a team that lacks commitment on a regular basis.
Our image as a club is one of 4th place champions league money ambition that we are now having real problems meeting.
Which leaves everyone at Arsenal with a choice between accept a lowering of our ambition levels yet again to Europe league qualification so that the current set up can still get over the bar or accept a change of management so the bar can be reset to where realistically a club the size of Arsenals should be, competing for titles most seasons.

13 Feb 2018 11:00:36
You haven't gone backwards from invincibles to not being even a top 4 club anymore classic R. G. statement. You are the third biggest spenders in the league and are falling further away from spurs, I'm in Amsterdam R. G. looking forward to watching the match against juventus in a seedy pub later.

13 Feb 2018 11:28:23
Spurs and Liverpool both over took us without the need to spend a fortune last season Raver mate and although Liverpool have spent more heavily this season they have balanced the books with the courtinho money and along with Spurs Chelsea City Utd have left us in their dust.
We used to be about fighting for titles then we became all about finishing top 4 (4th more often than not) now we are all about Europa league qualification and possibly winning of the competition in the hope of making the champions league by this route because the premier league top 4 is getting to hot for us to handle.
I'd say that's steady but sure decline in anyone's books.
We can spend all we want but little will change as the arrival of Sanchez and Ozil proved simply because the mentality at the club is and has been poor for years.
Getting to the top is very difficult and staying at the top for a prolonged period is extremely difficult but if your ambition never stretches beyond finishing top 4 in the first place you've little room to ride out a down turn in fortune's.
Shoot for the stars and you might land on the moon but If you only ever aim at the clouds gravity is going to take its corse sooner or later.

13 Feb 2018 13:51:59
Personally, i think the guy should be sacked. To allow him to get away on tv with phrases like that for me shows a lack of intelligence. If i was a fellow professional, i would refuse to work with the idiot.

13 Feb 2018 14:08:42
raver61 - The problem is that the toot haven't won any trophies and have only finished above Arsenal once in three decades. This is the toot at their best and Arsenal at their worst! The top clubs are clearly Man C, Man U and Chelsea who have won many trophies in recent seasons, then comes Arsenal, then Leicester and Blackburn, and then Liverpool and the toot. Both Liverpool and the toot have never won the Premier League! Last season we won the FA Cup and that will go down in the history books, whereas nobody remembers teams that fail to win a trophy. If by some miracle we win the League Cup, even if the toot finish above us, it means absolutely nothing unless the toot actually win a trophy. Don't forget the toot are also outside the top four this season!

13 Feb 2018 14:13:54
I fully agree Steve, Carragher is a halfwit and should be replaced. I like very few of the pundits. Gary Neville talks sense, but learnt first hand how difficult management is. I cannot stand Carragher and Michael Owen and I find Rooney an embarrassment, with his thatch died auburn and he is barely literate.

13 Feb 2018 14:31:28
It's funny RG that you find it perfectly acceptable for to make a very very personal attack on Wayne Rooney but not for a tv pundit to collectively attack our players about the way their represent our club on a football pitch?
Strange what some people find perfectly acceptable from themselves but totally unacceptable from others.

13 Feb 2018 14:48:03
R. G. not having a pop but what you pay ozil we are paying Kane, Ali and eriksen, yes we haven't won nothing but we are a very well run club giving what we spend on players, wages etc and are punching well above our weight. For us being in the mix with Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd, Liverpool etc is a achievement in itself, I think we are doing alright this season considering we are playing every game away from whl.

13 Feb 2018 15:09:14
Gunner, with respect, i agree but what carragher said was on worldwide tv and is a type of celebrity ( very loosely ) talking about his fellow professionals, which he was one. He would take criticism, i'm sure but he wouldn't take that, i also think he is a role model on tv. Calling someone a coward is not constructive in his way of anaysis. Sky should make him go into the arsenal dressing room with the door shut and let him say the same thing, in his analysis of their performance.

13 Feb 2018 15:14:27
G62 - I am of course permitted to voice my opinion and it is that Carragher was wrong to call our players cowards. In fact I cannot offhand think of any Premier League players that one could call a coward, which is an odd word to use in terms of top professional players. As for pundits they often critisce players, managers, etc and therefore cannot escape critiscism themselves.

13 Feb 2018 15:23:23
Raver61 - I didn't agree with paying Ozil £300,000+ a week, but also it's evident that the toot players are underpaid in PL terms, hence why Walker left and Rose kicked off. As I know Toby, I already told you that he is not happy with his salary at the club and that goes for many toot players.
Yes, the toot are punching above their weight, being more of an Everton or Newcastle, clubs that have the potential to compete with the top sides. However, an off season for Arsenal was an FA Cup and a Charity Shiled, whereas a good season for the toot is finishing top four and winning nothing. At the end of the day football is all about winning trophies. Nobody recalls who finished second to Leicester, but we all remenber the League Champiosn, the FA Cup winner, The Champions League winners etc. Yes, you are doing 'alright' this season, but that sums it up. delivering trophies is what it is all about and you have a manager that has won nothing and a team that have won nothing. How long can that go on before the team breaks up players move on. Redknapp had a fabulous team at the toot, but Modric, Bale etc left. Perhaps as an Arsenal fan our expectations are simply much higher than yours.

13 Feb 2018 15:37:21
R. G. we are a lot bigger Than Newcastle and Everton mate, I don't think Everton or Newcastle have a history of ours and would never pull crowds of 85000.

13 Feb 2018 15:49:29
League Titles:
Arsenal 13
Everton 9
Newcastle 4
Toot 2

Good luck tonigh raver61, I like English teams beating foreign teams so I hope you win and have a feeling you will do so over two legs. A draw away and a home win is my prediction, but don't put money on it!

13 Feb 2018 15:56:28
RG you may be permitted a voice but I don't see why you dragged Wayne Rooney into this and needed to use your permitted voice to personally insult him? The only connection is can see between Pundits Carragher and Owner and Wayne Rooney is Liverpool it's self and why that's a problem only you know mate?
I think maybe a little like Jamie Carragher you too have got a bit carried away with your emotions on this occasion RG.

13 Feb 2018 16:26:39
G62 - I stand by my comments, which are truthful and honest. I have nothing against Liverpool and being similar in age to you I recall the great Liverpool teams of yesteryear. I do find English players such as Rooney, Beckham, Carragher, etc, embarrassing. Yes, they were great footballers, but the moment they open thier mouths I cringe. Indeed Rooney has been a disgrace, using a granny at a brothel, cheating on his wife, smoking, eating greasy kebabs, etc. As far as pundits go, I want to hear intelligent, well thought out comments. Gary Neville is good and I like Jermaine Jenas, Martin Keown and their like. Rooney greatest comment was during his wedding in Italy, he didn't want foreign food, so he ordered pizza! I stayed at a hotel in Germany, Brenners Park and to this day the staff recall the behaviour of the wags staying at the hotel. It's embarrassing. Oh yes, another Liverpool player, Rush, failed learn Italian whilst at Juventus and came back as quickly as he struggled with the foreign food!

13 Feb 2018 17:07:20
R. G. we have won more European, fa cups and league cups than Everton and Newcastle.

13 Feb 2018 17:25:50
RG we are all different and for me personally I find some of what you come out with repetitive and cringe worthy. The whole Walter Mitty thing you chose to share with us i find strange but if that's what makes you happy then Hey ho who you hurting so it's your choice, but some of the personal anger towards certain individuals you don't even know I do find a bit bizarre to say the least.

13 Feb 2018 17:26:31
Hold on, let me get this right:

RG61, you take umbrage at Cara's remarks BUT, you stand by calling him a halfwit and the disparaging things you said about Rooney?

Consider my mind blown!



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