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23 Dec 2017 08:32:35
As soon as I saw the team I knew we were in trouble. The defence had to be: Bellerin, Mustafi, Koscielny and Kolasinac. Instead we had a left back playing at CB and a right footed central midfield player playing at Left Back. Wenger also played Iwobi and Ozil in the same team, which is a mistake. Wenger has reverted to his unsuccessful 4-2-3-1 formation, which needs 2 DM's and 2. Wide attacking midfiled players that can cover their full backs, none of which we have.
You only have to look at the amount of goals and how they have been conceded against the 4 teams above us, to see Wenger's errors.
What astounds me is that Wenger got it so right in terms of formation (a fluid 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1) up to 2006 and players, yet has got it so wrong ever since. In January we must bring in a couple of tall, athletic DM's and at least one tall CB.

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23 Dec 2017 08:59:46
Since there has been no George Graham players or players who played alongside George Graham players there hasn't been one single tittle challenge from Arsenal.
No George influence nothing outstanding from Arsene.
The question is was Arsene ever as good as we all thought he once was?

Was he just the right man in the right place at the right time with his knowledge of the emerging French football revolution and the ultra solid base being enough to cover up his own weaknesses?
Was Arsene Wenger always just a decent manager made to look brilliant by the circumstances being right?

10 years ago I'd have laughed at anyone questioning Arsenes brilliance from 96 to 2004 but the longer he has had to do it all without those two distinct advantages he inherited the more his in abilities as a manager have been exposed and the more I question how could he go from being so outstandingly brilliant to being so out of touch and unable to see the obvious that everyone else talks about every season but Arsene still hasn't grasped.

{Ed025's Note - to be fair G62 he has been a great manager, lost the plot over the past few years granted but its hard to question his ability when arsenal were a top top team for so long mate..

23 Dec 2017 09:38:23
The invincibles was the last defence we had of any note. since then it's been square pegs in round holes, I think he like Klopp has forgotten how to build a defence. And still his biggest weakness is his loyalty to players he thought he could improve. Ramsay Wilshire Theo Sczezny Welbeck etc. all would have bee shown the door at a bigger club and replaced by quality. We just don't have enough quality and that includes with the manager.

23 Dec 2017 09:43:11
Sorry gunner but i strongly disagree with that. Arsene was a great manager and I'm sure he is still very well highly regarded in the game. We need a change but i do get embarrassed the way some go about it. He has done wonders for the club. And as for no title challenge that is misleading. We went a whole season unbeaten. All we had from that era was keown who hardly played and parlour who was a sub. I think it's wrong to question his ability when he did that. It's time for a fresh start but for me let not just disregard all he has accomplished.

23 Dec 2017 10:56:56
Fair comment 16 mate i totally understand your view, it's just that the first 7 years had a George influence and the last 14 haven't and we've not challenged without it.
Arsene brought us football and success we have never known before and most likely never will again but without George's foundation could Arsene have done it anyway?
The last 14 years suggest not and that's my point, Arsene was 100% the right man back in 96 and without him joining us the invincibles would never have been possible but equally Arsenal were 100% the right club for Arsene at exactly the right time to cash in on what was already in place and build on it in spectacular style.
The question is without George would we still be asking Arsene who?
Because a 100% Arsenes Arsenal for the last 14 seasons has proved incapable of fighting for a title even once, coincidence?
It's just a question but I think it's wortb thinking about and looking at the facts before deciding it's wrong.

23 Dec 2017 14:14:00
The truth is whatever wenger achieved in his first great years, he has been totally out of his depth at the top table since.

23 Dec 2017 09:40:13
Fair comment Ed025 mate but the first 7 years he looked nothing short of brilliant but the last 14 he has slowly but surely declined and declined so much I do question now if he was ever realy that brilliant or just a decent manager who everything fell just right for.
30% brilliant 70% below par? If it was a player we would say he simply found his level.
I'm not saying I'm right about it Ed mate but it does seem the longer Arsene goes without any George influence the more he looks incapable of mixing with the best teams and managers.

{Ed025's Note - i think you are being a little bit unfair G62, the last few years have been hard but for the most part he has been excellent in my book, i still think it would be right for him to leave but i think the legacy he will leave is right up there with the best mate..

23 Dec 2017 15:13:05
Fair play mate, I'm just not sure how Arsene will be remembered after he leaves anymore.
The man who went on to long is my guess.
2014 after beating Hull would have been best in my opinion, but that I appreciate is just my view.



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