22 Jun 2017 08:44:54
I know people are not very optimistic about the transfer window but surely there has to be at least one huge not just big signing to appease the Wenger out mob. I know he's stubborn and people won't hold their breath but he admitted himself that the atmosphere was half the reason we sank last year and he must know that if he doesn't get the support back and quick then it will be another disappointing year. The only way to do that is bring in a blockbuster signing.
22 Jun 2017 09:06:12
I think there is a real desire from both Arsene and possibly even more so from the club to show the fans they really are ambiotous and things won't just carry on like always.
The problem is without paying world record breaking difficult to refuse wages to tempt such a high calibre player how do we attract them?
Realistically what can we offer a player with lots of other excellent opportunities?
22 Jun 2017 10:22:35
G62 please don't forget we are a great club! We as fans may be disillusioned at the moment but we are still very well respected on an international level. Arsene himself is one of the most respected managers in the world and if we are looking at players like mbappe for example we can offer first team opportunity to take his game to the next level over the likes of Real Madrid for example. Established players like lewandowski are ready to play as a starter at most if not all clubs. I agree in part with your post above and feel that money could be well spent elsewhere but I think fans need appeasing first and foremost and it's primarily aimed at fans like you but I feel that some people won't be pleased what ever happens.
22 Jun 2017 11:27:18
I totally understand what your saying Sanogo mate but I personally don't care who we sign and if they are a free transfer or a world record breaking deal to me it's all about what they do in the shirt not what name they have on the back of it.
Quick fix people pleasing doesn't usually prove to be a long term successful tactic, look at Utd fans not many still have their Falco and Di Maria shirts now and the novelty of Pogba and Ibra soon wore off as they want to be involved in the big boy races like they were under Fergie with the likes of Carrick Cleverly Welbeck and Jones.
Spending big money alone will only bring restbite not solutions to Arsene and the board only a genuine title challenge will win back real confidence in them from many fans.
22 Jun 2017 13:21:43
I agree they have to perform. But the point I'm getting at is that if Wenger buys one of the most sought after players in the world and he doesn't come good in the time before that at least he would have tried and at least vindicated his usually stance that money doesn't win things. If he buys some players of modest reputation and price then it goes wrong the lynch mob will be out and probably long before it goes wrong.
22 Jun 2017 14:48:31
I think the trick is to do what you genuinely feel is right, not cheapest or most expensive to be popular, all managers should be honest with themselves in their own head and do what they truly think has the best chance to bring success.
Because if you try to people please the very people you set out to please will have a very short memory and keep thier distance as will the players you stood by if it all goes wrong, managers are paid to get it right not do what people want.
Imagine if Arsene kept Dags happy? We'd have a Charlie Austen Remy front two :-)
22 Jun 2017 15:26:02
Bloody hell G62 you sound like arsene mate. Is that not what he has done all his career? I really don't understand that you now promote the same ethos that you have been in opposition to! Arsene believes in himself and his players and always has! I have always tipped my hat to the man but have come to the conclusion that he has got it wrong in recent years and maybe he has come to that conclusion as well! Arsenal need to make a statement to players, pundits and fans alike that we are a big club with ambition and even if we pay over the odds for players we need to show that we need business if it's only for this summer.
{Ed025's Note - i agree SLB, arsenal need to get the fans back onside and the only way to do that is for the club to show some ambition, buy players with pedigree and ambition and at least 3 or 4 of them i say, god knows the money is there so whats he waiting for..a rainy day?, arsenal are a massive club and can attract the biggest names but cant afford to miss out on CL again this year, its a slippery slope if you do and the attraction for the top names will wane, get your finger out of your arse wenger and get in the real world i say mate..
22 Jun 2017 16:02:53
Totally ed. I think he's realised that himself. The man may be stubborn but he is not stupid and I really would have no sympathy If he has took on this new deal and tried the same BS again. If it's not broke don't fix it but I'm sure he knows it's broke so let's fix it. Fans are going on like we're an inferior club. For 20 years they have not known what an inferior club is! We are arsenal and except united and possibly Liverpool we are in the elite clubs in not just English but world football.
{Ed025's Note - your preaching to the converted there SLB..
22 Jun 2017 16:30:13
The only difference between me and Arsene is I think managers should be judged on results, that where the me and Arsene love sadly comes unstuck :-)
It's irrelevant if you spend 200 million or £2.50 the league table doesn't lie, finish within 3 points of the champions and it's difficult to argue the man in charge ain't up to the job and it's exactly the same in reverse if you finish way off the pace.
If it was a spending competion Benitez would still be at Liverpool and LVG at Utd while poor old Poch and Klopp out of work managers :-)
Its all about results and how many points you get in May but how happy you make people in August, admittedly Arsene hasn't been known fur achieving either for a very long time now :- (.
{Ed025's Note - i get that G62 but what every fan in the country wants in august is hope, whether that means hoping for the title, top 4 or avoiding relegation, if arsenal dont spend big then hope is gone for many supporters, the time of recruiting no name french youngsters and african may come goods has to be put to bed, buy some bloody quality arsene and lose the its my way or the highway attitude, or come december the supporters will be demanding that its the highway..
22 Jun 2017 16:45:17
Converted or perverted lol 😂.
{Ed025's Note - most would say both SLB.. :)
22 Jun 2017 17:20:48
My point g62 is that you have been critising arsene for what you now see as the way forward. Maybe now you are thinking like a manager! Wenger has bought what he feels is quality whilst paying an honest fee. That has failed and now there's talk of us breaking world records and now you say that maybe we should spend that invoice 3-4 players. He did that last year and you said STUPID . This transfer window is as much a PR stunt than anything else. Wenger has a job on this summer mate. First and foremost he has to improve the squad then he has to convince Sanchez and co that we mean business then he has to appease the fans then he has to silence the critics then he has to show the world that AFC I should the place to be. It's a nightmare and now some fans are wanting this done with the window been open a few weeks. Why have we not done any deals yet why have other teams got players and we haven't why oh why ed please tell me This please tell me that .
22 Jun 2017 20:52:44
Sanogo mate if we had signed Kante in 2015 for 5 million I'd have said who? By September 2015 I'd have said what a brilliant player, now in 2017 if we signed Kante for 100 million I'd be absolutely delighted.
I don't care what their name is and I don't care if what they cost I just care what they do for us.
Personally if I was thinking like a manager with a 2 year unbreakable contract I'd spend this summer shipping out those who just haven't done the business for us and who have become way to comfortable at Arsenal even it cost me a few quid to do so, then I'd bring in the most competitive replacements I could get my hands on with the money I had left to lay really competitive mental Foundations for a real assault on the 2018 19 title.
22 Jun 2017 22:03:50
To be perfectly honest g62 best respect meant and all but you have appeared to have forgotten previous dialog to suit the narrative of this debate. I couldn't agree more with what you say but it's not the same as you have previously stated that's my point and I do understand that it's the prerogative of a football fan to be fickle but please don't piss up my back and tell me it's raining.
23 Jun 2017 12:49:41
Sanogo mate when Arsene got his new contract I accepted the situation for what it is as I see it, no more Wenger out just acceptance of Arsene and his squads pros and cons.
I don't really care if we pay 200 million for Mbappe it's not my dosh I just don't see anything short of a complete overhaul of the squad changing our premier league competitiveness, if you do then good for you old bean hope your right and I'm wrong, so where is problem.