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22 Aug 2016 19:45:09
Gardiola Morinho and what they have spent or not spent or what they have done or not done is between them and thier own fans.
I say we should worry about whars happening at our own club and let others clubs go about their business as they see fit, it really is none of our business how they go about making themselves the best they can possibly be.

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22 Aug 2016 20:28:54
Agree gunner, we can't keep looking over the fence to see if they have a better garden than us. We got to sort our garden out first.

22 Aug 2016 21:03:48
The way I see it Steve is its irrelevant to us what they do its up to us to be the best we can be, if we sign the best players we can afford and get the best out of them possible and it's not enough! What more can we do? If we do all that and it's only good enough for 4th place I won't complain.
But to me comming second last season with just 71 points while being Europes only club not to sign an outfield player while having, £200 million in the bank is not even close to being all we could be and that's just wrong in my book.

22 Aug 2016 21:05:57
Wenger has been banging that drum for so long that it's had the desired affect on some fans, it has zero to do with us!

22 Aug 2016 21:31:58
Jps you have to take the simeone stance and battle the big boys with every trick you have in your book and when you win you sneer and when you lose you know you've bloodied their noses and they won't fancy playing you again, regardless.

22 Aug 2016 21:32:25
Oh and wenger can't do that.

22 Aug 2016 21:45:06
Please read the accounts before you slate Wenger. Read the mid-year accounts as not blurred by pre-season ticket sales which create a false cash balance.
So Nov 15 6 month accounts on club website. Note 12.

We have 136m in cash as 24m is in a service reserve account.

Look st the profit we made - loss of 6m.

Then look at Chelsea and the 1dn pound interest free debt they have.

22 Aug 2016 22:10:30
Then look at Leicesters 80 plus points SY?

22 Aug 2016 22:40:34
Stop throwing out once in a lifetime examples - your 209m number is again false as is your reference of Pep spending 100m

You are just moaning for moaning sake and trying to stur more anti-Wenger feelings based on false info

What's accurate is no manager has kept Arsensl in the top 4 for such a long period against teams with far more resource. FA cup glory, regular in champions league and invincibles.

Money talks and you brought up a false number. My number is accurate and would support our transfer policy.

We invest enough to maintain top 4 finish while maintaining a self sufficient model which the board seems to want -> that's the problem.

How do you generate more cash for long term investments while maintaining this? Please let me know

Who would you want? Let me know

Would your choice cope with our financial constraints while delivering our brand of football?

Interested to here your solution rather than lopsided moans.

22 Aug 2016 22:45:00
62 - if money doesn't talk, then why have the titles recently gone to the big spenders and why would Utd throw vast money at Pogba if money does not talk
Where were Chelsea and City before the money came rolling in

Leicester was a freak result - please don't build your arguement in them. They almost got relegated the year before and be lucky to get top 8 this season.

22 Aug 2016 23:04:36
Sy look at yourself pal you are moaning more than anyone and that includes me. Your arguments are one sided and you accuse others.

22 Aug 2016 23:13:26
Yes money does talk it always has done but chelski won the league before last on a net spend of 10 mil. Leicester beat all the big spenders last season and I think it is totally disrespectful to call winning the prem a freak, it was bloody hard earned through hard work and belief. And i suppose you wrote them off last season as easily as you have written them off this. Leicester is totally relevant they beat the big boys and the big spenders regardless of whether it may or may not be a one off.

22 Aug 2016 23:14:05
Money certainly does play a big part these days SY, absolutely and there's no way Arsenal can outspend the likes of City, Utd or Chelsea, but let's not pretend we're looking behind the sofa for coppers.

The club has a manager on £8m a year, an owner who dips his hand in when he fancies a few million and youth players earning £10/ 20/ 30k a week.

If finances really are an issue, then moving to the Emirates was irresponsible.

Don't forget, winning the premier league brings in a LOT of money.
Is there any guarantee we'll win it, even with £200m spent?
No, but we certainly won't in current state.

I've said it before here and I'll say it again, this is the equivalent of your monthly shop.
You spend big and stock everything up and then once or twice a week you pop in for milk and bread.

The principle here is the same.
If we bite the bullet and sign a striker and a CB, the club is more or less set, next season, we just have to replace any leavers and add maybe one player of quality.

As it stands, it's looking more and more likely (admittedly it's not nailed on) that we're going to sign Jonny Evans for around £25m.

That's ridiculous.
Regardless of him doing a job or not, if we go through, we're paying £25m (apparently) for a player who's 27 and will be a stop gap, he certainly isn't good enough to be a starter for Arsenal and he's not going to improve.
We'll be paying for a player who's going to play 2-3 seasons, before being shipped back to a west brom level team for pennies and we have to replace him then at a premium.

Yet if we'd of pulled our finger out and gone in for Mustafi, paid even £40m (is he worth that? No, but this is the reality of the market now, it's a sellers market and you pay their price) we've got an experienced CB, a World Cup winner, knows the prem, played in 3 leagues and is only 24.
By the time Kos is looking to step down in 2-3 years, he's only 26 and we've got a more settled Gabriel (if he stays) and Holding and Chambers who will of matured.

So unless Mustafi is poor for us, which, I won't lie is obviously a possibility, we could have him for 10 years if the club is good to him and vice versa.
As opposed to a player on a par with Djourou, for £25m and only a 3rd of the time.

Look, I'm just naming names here, I can only go off what I read, because I don't have an inside track and don't claim to, for all I know, we could be announcing the arrival of Varane and Griezmann tomorrow and then I look a right tool for being naffed off about Mustafi (not that I need help looking a tool)

At the end of the day, you have to speculate to accumulate.
If Arsene, Stan and co just want to make profits, may I suggest they buy and run a grocers, not a football club.

22 Aug 2016 23:25:50
I am not moaning but responding on a banter page - I have stated facts Steve not this constant anti Wenger vibe that is being posted by a few individuals
I won't mind but it's not accurate and again - read my posts as I do slag Wenger off

I am just asking for you to post facts if you reference something plus opinion

At present I am just asking for a solution to Wenger - mine is change the model which is supported by the successful teams of late and our lack of cash which is supported by our statutory accounts

Both are facts

No other manager has delivered such consistent performance for Arsenal - fact

Do we over pay some players - yes but contractual positions influence wages.

Is the Japanese guy's visa an issue - not really but let's call it a huge disaster and screw up.

22 Aug 2016 23:36:53
Bang on the button D_.

Top post.

22 Aug 2016 23:57:15
D
I can understand your point and don't disagree with you
Money does talk and the team will need constant investment ( not huge every year) . You stand more chance winning the lottery if you buy more tickets but you can buy 1 and still win.
We only have 140m in the bank - we don't make huge amounts of money.
What you state - I want but I think it will need more money than you state.
Change needs to happen - yes but the board / model before we throw out a good manager.

23 Aug 2016 00:14:05
Steve. How many negative / moaning posts have I started compared to the negative posters? I have posted a number of positive and negative posts
I reply to unfounded negative posts or just plane stupid mow so -> yes

On Chelsea - get real. Over 1 billion loaned with NO interest. Did you really bring them up. Would love us to have no interest never mind the cash injection. You really do hand pick weird examples to support your arguement

I am dissing Leicester as they did well but it's a freak result that won't be repeated. I thought that's what freak result meant. Doesn't mean they didn't work hard but probably not the best model to build off.

23 Aug 2016 00:15:05
Nice post D - we all want success and to challenge again. Nothing wrong with wanting that.

23 Aug 2016 00:24:06
Sy the club your arguments are more one sided than a straight line.

23 Aug 2016 00:28:41
Sy4 what's the point if we make top four consistently 16-17 years thereabouts and not winning any major trophy? I'd rather we win CL league and year later we come 8th, the following year come back to win the epl and finish 15th the next year than to experience this top 4 sickness. Would you not want to improve in life. Yes, financially we keep on improving but has our trophy cabinet improved with a major trophy? Now has is that?

{Ed007's Note - Everyone would like to improve in life but sadly we can't all be Roy Keane. The gulf between Arsenal and maybe15/16 other teams is huge but perhaps the gap between Arsenal and Utd, City and Chelsea is just as big in the world of high finance football. Maybe being there or there abouts is Arsenal's level mate with the hope of every now and then getting that wee bit of luck to win the league. But I know that's not acceptable to fans, they want millions spent every window and trophies in the cabinet. Only one team can win the league though.
What if Arsenal went out and spent £150 million and still finished 3rd or 4th, would that be seen as a waste of money by fans?
I don't believe for a minute any Arsenal fan (or board member) would ever accept them finishing 15th, even if they won the quadruple the previous year.
If you want me to really start moaning I'll tell you about Celtic having to play 3 rounds of qualifiers to get into the CL! :=D

23 Aug 2016 01:24:00
Ed, all I'm trying to say is that we refuse to address the weak areas in the team like a CB and a CF which has been the case over the past 3 years when it's glaring to everyone. Spending huge funds during transfer windows isn't my thing but what matters to me most is getting the weak areas sorted out. Believe me Ed if we got an ST for 40 mil and a CB for 30 mil thereabouts I wouldn't complain if we finished 5th because we would have done our bits. But to identify same problems over these past years and not addressing them isn't acceptable.

{Ed007's Note - I've not kept up with Arsenal stuff but maybe they can't find the right player at the right price. I think Wenger thought he had Vardy in the bag and that messed up his summer plans. It's OK saying a striker at £40m and a CB at £30m but who? Every poster on here knows it's not Football Manager or FIFA, where you just collect enough money and you can buy Erik Sviatchenko or Ronaldo for X amount.
If the £40m striker's club doesn't want to sell or the player doesn't fancy it what do you want them to do, offer £60 million, or use the £40 million to buy a mercenary worth £20m that'll sign for anyone if the price is right?

23 Aug 2016 06:26:25
Thanks Ed - nice bit of perspective. We do take our position in the league for granted. The frustration is that chance was last season. Doesn't mean our position should change but reevaluate so we can next time.

{Ed007's Note - When Bruce Rioch was sacked if someone had offered you exactly what Wenger has done, 20 years of consistently up there at the top end of the EPL and Europe, the trophies you've won and the players you've seen playing for Arsenal I'd bet 99% of the support would have been over the moon with that. Not to mention a brand spanking new stadium.
Would a Spurs or Liverpool supporter rather have had Arsenal's last 20 years or their own? I reckon a lot of Liverpool supporters would even trade their CL win for an EPL trophy.}

23 Aug 2016 20:29:49
Ed
I believe we are beating the same drum
I would agree :)

{Ed007's Note - There's usually one nutter on very site that agrees with me.}







 

 

 
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